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      02-25-2008, 01:51 PM   #89
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Nice response.. someone in a 330? lol!

Anyway, full loaded m3 will run 65-70k, second hand m5 65-70k, 10more, and u get a nissan gt-r. Skyline was thrown into my considerations for a M car because of the price range, and the "technology/performance" combination, something BMW does best, but skyline has always done great job of since I saw the r33/34. I believe it's also in the same hp range. 410-450hp range. If you are ready to spend 70k u can possibly get to that 80k in time. Bang for the buck is sometimes what u look at, until u can afford exotics lol.

Like i said, if sports performance is all one cares about, then you know why they are driving a skyline. It's just like if u pulled up to someone in a even an R32, althought the r34 looks better and even better with this r35.

1 review, is nothing. As I've done my research, I knew already that the gt-r had to whip the m3's ass. But I am sure, there are things that the m3 might do better. The m3 is no 911, but this is not a nice review tho for the m3. I'd really like to see a review with an m5/6, out of curiosity. With a different driver/host.

DSG SMG for m3 will make it faster, but by how much? I am sure that will bring it within 0-60s of 4.2's like the M5/6. I hate it when

Hands down the m3 is one of the most popular and desired street sports cars to have. Why not compare it to the next best? Remember the m3 vs Bugatti veyron vid? lol.. just curious. When u pull up to other cars on the street, u want to know what's the possible out come. Or how well this does on the track, for those who don't have fun on roads/highways.

That GT-R is performing like the e92 m3 CSL should perform. lol he called the skyline a baby veyron!! lol!


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Men, one review and everyone gets the panties twisted in a bunch! there is nothing new here, the Skyline has always been faster than any M3 and now people are making a big deal out of nothing, like this is some new phenomena or they just figured out the sun rises from the east and sets in the west.

The brakes issue is funny to me, this guy has thousands of miles on his car, and someone in a 330 is comparing that to a driver who drives his car at the limit most of the time not to mention the nurburg ring, if that's not comedy then I don't know what is, sorry buddy your are not Chris Harry of autocar I doubt your car has been on the limit like his m3 has.

The tyres on his car, were almost bald, trying getting any grip on a 335 with bald tyres and it's 2 degrees outside and then maybe you might understand how much harder it was to lunch an M3 (which has more torque than the 335 to the wheels) with DSC turned all the way off with wheel spin in 2nd gear (most likely around 40 something miles an hour), he simply should have been in MDM mode, which might have helped but still wouldn't have mattered. The GTR is faster, it's automotive technology at it's very best. The exhaust note sounds meh, the front of the car horrendous, but I do like that big booty it got what kind I say I like big butts and I sure as hell don't need to lie about that, lol.

I'm not here defending the M3 to bits but to say the m3 is competition to the GTR is nonsense. The only car Nissan cared about when developing the GTR was the 911 and it clearly shows, it gave the 997 GT3 a whopping on all aspects except (tail-out antics, which you never need in getting the fastest lap), so just because the M3 shares the same price with it, it must be compared? apples and oranges to me not even in the same class a GT car vs. a car that was never even close to a GT, since it started production way back when.

It's funny to see BMW irrational fans who think the M3 is the end to all means compare the care to cars way above it and expect it to win and then say I'm not ordering one, because of 1 review says this and another one says that (sounds like the steering issue to me, everyone feels different about it), who knows that might just mean you never really wanted one in the 1st place. Good luck on the GTR though, hopefully Nissan stealers are not too money hungry like some BMW stealers, lol.

If the car is for you then deal with the shortcoming, as all cars have them but the notion that an m3 can hang with the GTR or the GT3 is more a fanboy dream than anything else, it never has it never will.

Once my 335 lease is done, my next destination is M world (gotta do it before I get wifed up, lol).
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      02-25-2008, 01:54 PM   #90
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Sorry mate but you are way off the mark with a comment like that, Chris is a decent pilot and better than most here.

But regarding this plain awful time that the M3 and GT3 produced, it must have been something to do with the surface on the day. But bags the question, does anyone know what the acceleration time of an M3 when tested with M-Dynamic mode ON vs DSC off. It would be an interesting marker for those of you who happen to partake in traffic-light fun.
MDM does seem to be best after viewing so many difff vids
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      02-25-2008, 02:38 PM   #91
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Nice response.. someone in a 330? lol!

Anyway, full loaded m3 will run 65-70k, second hand m5 65-70k, 10more, and u get a nissan gt-r. Skyline was thrown into my considerations for a M car because of the price range, and the "technology/performance" combination, something BMW does best, but skyline has always done great job of since I saw the r33/34. I believe it's also in the same hp range. 410-450hp range. If you are ready to spend 70k u can possibly get to that 80k in time. Bang for the buck is sometimes what u look at, until u can afford exotics lol.

Like i said, if sports performance is all one cares about, then you know why they are driving a skyline. It's just like if u pulled up to someone in a even an R32, althought the r34 looks better and even better with this r35.

1 review, is nothing. As I've done my research, I knew already that the gt-r had to whip the m3's ass. But I am sure, there are things that the m3 might do better. The m3 is no 911, but this is not a nice review tho for the m3. I'd really like to see a review with an m5/6, out of curiosity. With a different driver/host.

DSG SMG for m3 will make it faster, but by how much? I am sure that will bring it within 0-60s of 4.2's like the M5/6. I hate it when

Hands down the m3 is one of the most popular and desired street sports cars to have. Why not compare it to the next best? Remember the m3 vs Bugatti veyron vid? lol.. just curious. When u pull up to other cars on the street, u want to know what's the possible out come. Or how well this does on the track, for those who don't have fun on roads/highways.

That GT-R is performing like the e92 m3 CSL should perform. lol he called the skyline a baby veyron!! lol!
That is a tough read! Anyway, the CSL will not stand a chance against the GT-R either.
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      02-25-2008, 04:07 PM   #92
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Video of M3 vs Nissan GTR vs GT3!

No surprise which one is the best.

I have a 335 vert, dad has a 911 Carrera S, and am in a wait list for the GT-R. I think all three cars are great, but its obvious to me the GT-R is head and shoulders above the rest.
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      02-25-2008, 04:15 PM   #93
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No surprise which one is the best.

http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/02/25...t3-and-the-m3/

I have a 335 vert, dad has a 911 Carrera S, and am in a wait list for the GT-R. I think all three cars are great, but its obvious to me the GT-R is head and shoulders above the rest.
Speed and handling are not the only components that make a great sports car. What is "best" to one may not be the best to another.
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Everything everyone said is for the most part true. Yes the GTR is AWD, and traditionaly AWD system are a little boring. What Nissan did though they made the GTR RWD bias. The vehicle natural behavior is to understeer, but get on the gas early in the turn and the back end comes out. Get on the gas at the end of the turn and it pulls out with out any problem.
I'm not trying to defend the car, but everyone here has to give it credit. I drive a 335i and love it.. It is by far the best vehicle I have ever driven. It is a pure joy. Big fan of the BMW's look.
But in my own shame less blug.. I do sell Nissan's, and I'm the GTR rep for my store. "Thats why I know a little more info on the GTR." If anyone is interested send me an email or a pm.. Glad to answer and questions.
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      02-26-2008, 01:10 AM   #95
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Have fun trying to tell that to the GT-R that just smoked you at the stoplight/track. You can honk your horn to try to get his attention, but chances are he'll be so far ahead he wouldn't hear you even if your overrevved your engine.

Jokes aside, I buy cars because I love to drive them. I don't buy cars to tell people I drive them. If you want to brand shop, thats fine by me. It helps with the MSRP problem we've been having over at the Nissan camp. $10k markup on a Nissan? Last time I checked no 997 was commanding a markup. Even worse for the Caymans/Boxsters which are almost always below MSRP.
Kinda funny how the cycle works,,, because your 335i will be eating my dust. So, with all of that dust in your eyes... how can you tell who is the winner?

As for depreciation, BMW's traditionally have had the lowest depreciation, up there with the Mercs. I don't see how the introduction of the GT-R will have any effect on the M3's depreciation. There will always be more demand for Bimmers that a Nissan (and since you aer dumb enough to pay over sticker, good luck with the bath you will take in 3 years). You are wrong when you say it is all about the speed and not the class. BMW offers a level of prestige NISSAN can never offer, plain and simple. BMW gives you the best of both worlds, unlike the Nissan that only gives you the best of 1 world. Period. Tell your neighbors you spent $80k on a damn NISSAN and watch their expression.

Like I said before, if you want class and prestige, buy a BMW, Merc or Porsche. If you are so hell bent of the fastest car on the road, buy yourself a Ford GT-500 or Z06 and throw in a supercharger and get to 60 in 2.5 secs all for under $80k. As for me, I am pretty darn happy getting to 60 in around 4 secs with my "overrreved" piece of shit.
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this thread is harsh...mercs have good resale? i know bmw has a pretty good resale, but so do honda's and i would imagine more recent nissan's
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All those who are running to put green down on the GT-R after seeing this.... I just want to remind you of 1 very important thing.... It's a NISSAN.

Save up a few more pennies and go buy a base model Porsche Carrera. It may not be the fastest $90k car out there, but at least it's not a NISSAN!!!

enuf said.
oh look....NISSAN knows how to build a proper arse...which is what you will be seeing most of the time.
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      02-26-2008, 04:01 AM   #98
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Chris describes them as "slightly worm rubber" - did I miss bald somewhere?
I was with Chris later that evening and there was around 1mm of tread (i.e. below the legal limit) remaining on his rear Michelin PS2s, so they were definitely past their best.

What you need to remember is that the M3 was Chris' own car, not a press car nor one that was supplied and maintained by the magazine. He thought it would be fun to compare his M3 with the GT3 and GT-R as a reference marker, and he could certainly have driven it quicker but it would not have been 'quick enough' to make a material difference to the superiority of the GT-R (and nor would I expect it to).

That's also the reason why he didn't endlessly whittle away the acceleration times. Sure, the M3 will crack 10 seconds to 100 mph, but the GT-R was already at 8.5 seconds without trying.

The point Chris aimed to prove in those videos was subjective (namely how easy it was to deliver metronomic performanace in the GT-R) but using some objective measures as an illustration. Being more precise with those measures would not have changed his conclusion, just cost him wear and tear on his own car.
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Wow what a bunch of cry baby b*tches some of you are

Some very interesting comments, "At the end of the day it is still a Nissan" They could have just as well called it Infiniti GT-R, and at the end of the day the M3 got smoked by a Nissan

Somebody called the GT-R a ricer, wow, because it is made by a Japanese company? I guess we all know Japanese companies have no idea how to make vehicles
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Watch car magazine drive the GT-R against the 911 Turbo. They used the M3 to dry out the track!!!



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I still take the M3 but dam the GTR is sick!
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Does anyone have the 0-62, 0-100 and 0-125mph times for the GT-R? I know the GT-R is real fast, but would like a better idea what league it is in.

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I was with Chris later that evening and there was around 1mm of tread (i.e. below the legal limit) remaining on his rear Michelin PS2s, so they were definitely past their best.

What you need to remember is that the M3 was Chris' own car, not a press car nor one that was supplied and maintained by the magazine. He thought it would be fun to compare his M3 with the GT3 and GT-R as a reference marker, and he could certainly have driven it quicker but it would not have been 'quick enough' to make a material difference to the superiority of the GT-R (and nor would I expect it to).

That's also the reason why he didn't endlessly whittle away the acceleration times. Sure, the M3 will crack 10 seconds to 100 mph, but the GT-R was already at 8.5 seconds without trying.

The point Chris aimed to prove in those videos was subjective (namely how easy it was to deliver metronomic performance in the GT-R) but using some objective measures as an illustration. Being more precise with those measures would not have changed his conclusion, just cost him wear and tear on his own car.
Thanks for that insight Steved.

I was very surprised that he would have let his own car get as low as 1mm of tread as like you said this is illegal and in his profession would be embarrassing to has to explain to the police. But 1mm would effect the grip on both the acceleration run and the hot lap but the actual difference between giving 100% and an easy to drive 85~90% may only amount to a half second a lap difference or in other words wouldn't have affected the outcome one little bit.

Did he happen to mention why the brakes performed the way they did, an outlap and a now semi-hot lap shouldn't have left the car with no brakes. Was there any explanation from him on this point as this is of more concern than the car's inabilities to match it's performance figures.
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Do anyone have the 0-62, 0-100 and 0-125mph times for the GT-R? I know the GT-R is real fast, but would like a better idea what league it is in.

For a good estimate of the GTR's figures look up the times for a 997turbo.
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      02-26-2008, 01:09 PM   #105
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That is a tough read! Anyway, the CSL will not stand a chance against the GT-R either.
Come to think of it, you are right. I assume a 440-460hp CSL, and still not able to beat the gtr.

Guys, as car enthusiasts, the SKyline has always had much respect. Forget about the nissan badge. For years you have to respect each generation. If you knock a skyline, u must be knocking a Lancer Evo, therefore convincing me that you are only into BMWs for the badge lol (as well as other luxury sports cars).

No car will effect BMWs depreciation value. Lookin at lancer evo 7's and 8's (as a matter of fact, all of them, even Supras) depreciation, I know for sure Skyline wont depreciation bad at all.
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Id rather have the M3.. but only cause it comes in a sedan and like 80% of the people here, probably wont be taking it to the track so the whole power issue wouldnt matter much.
These 'its still a nissan' comments are a little sickening though, especially since BMW brought over the 1 series so the whole 'prestige' thing is kind of laughable now.
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Id rather have the M3.. but only cause it comes in a sedan and like 80% of the people here, probably wont be taking it to the track so the whole power issue wouldnt matter much.
These 'its still a nissan' comments are a little sickening though, especially since BMW brought over the 1 series so the whole 'prestige' thing is kind of laughable now.
so then get a c63 so u can drag race all day lol and change tires every other week. I don't know about u, i never took a car on an actual track. However, if I did own an M car, I would make sure I did it at least twice a year.

I still think the 1 series is geared to the current e36 owners.
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Thanks for that insight Steved.

I was very surprised that he would have let his own car get as low as 1mm of tread as like you said this is illegal and in his profession would be embarrassing to has to explain to the police. But 1mm would effect the grip on both the acceleration run and the hot lap but the actual difference between giving 100% and an easy to drive 85~90% may only amount to a half second a lap difference or in other words wouldn't have affected the outcome one little bit.

Did he happen to mention why the brakes performed the way they did, an outlap and a now semi-hot lap shouldn't have left the car with no brakes. Was there any explanation from him on this point as this is of more concern than the car's inabilities to match it's performance figures.
Chris had a pair of new PS2s in his car during the day, knowing that he would need them, but did not fit them until after the test. They did look next to useless when I saw them, so not surprised about the lack of grip. He didn't mention why the brakes performed so badly but I've heard from other owners that the standard pads are very soft and overheat quite easily. The race pads that I used in Marbella would not have faded, so its a simple change of pads to remedy.
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Does anyone have the 0-62, 0-100 and 0-125mph times for the GT-R? I know the GT-R is real fast, but would like a better idea what league it is in.
Not certain, but around 3.5 sec to 62 and 8.0-8.5 to 100. I know that it has run the 1/4 in 11.6-11.7.
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steved, does chris know about this forum? get him to join and post some of his experiences!!
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