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      02-23-2008, 08:16 AM   #45
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great videos.

I don't understand you .... of course the M3 is a slower track car than those 2, you didn't know that ???

Now, a new test for those 3 cars :

- go to the shop 2 km from here, take your wife and 2 kids, get back with a lot of stuff ... who will win ?

You have a car, able to do that, and also which is not ridiculous on the track, and could be tested again super-cars .

I'm happy with that ... M3 all the way !

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      02-23-2008, 08:32 AM   #46
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great videos.

I don't understand you .... of course the M3 is a slower track car than those 2, you didn't know that ???

Now, a new test for those 3 cars :

- go to the shop 2 km from here, take your wife and 2 kids, get back with a lot of stuff ... who will win ?

You have a car, able to do that, and also which is not ridiculous on the track, and could be tested again super-cars .

I'm happy with that ... M3 all the way !

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      02-23-2008, 08:37 AM   #47
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M3 is like a verry good GT, and beautifull too.

And OMG, the Nissan is ugly, realy the car suits the word....................

For daily drivability the M3 will be absolutly the best, the other 2 will draw a lot off attention, give me the "undercover" M3 anyday.....................
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I cant read the whole thread, but how does he think the GT3 cost 70k?? last one I looked at was $169k?????????
ok that was an RS, but still base is over $100k.
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I love the M3, but I prey for all the owners that when they drive the car a little agreesive on the streets that the brake work because from the video he only did like 2 laps and the brakes died on him.
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      02-23-2008, 11:23 AM   #50
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The GT-R may be faster, but it looks and sounds ordinary compared to the porsche and m3. and at the end of the day, it's still just a nissan.
Its a compliment to get beat that badly by a ricer?? Sorry im dont see the compliment there.
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      02-23-2008, 12:16 PM   #51
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I cant read the whole thread, but how does he think the GT3 cost 70k?? last one I looked at was $169k?????????
ok that was an RS, but still base is over $100k.
He is British and thus is quoting the price in Pounds......

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      02-23-2008, 12:28 PM   #52
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I love the M3, but I prey for all the owners that when they drive the car a little agreesive on the streets that the brake work because from the video he only did like 2 laps and the brakes died on him.
I see that you are a predator.
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      02-23-2008, 01:18 PM   #53
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Do I understand this right: He drove the M3's lap with DSC on? That's neither beneficial for the time nor for the brakes. OK, they should keep up longer than two laps anyway...



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      02-23-2008, 01:19 PM   #54
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nice video find, very nice, wow that GTR is sweet, I see quite a few poeple switching brands including probably me.
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      02-23-2008, 01:45 PM   #55
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Did anyone notice the comment about the brakes, 2 laps and at the end of the second lap there was no brakes.

Now who here is that concerned with the hope that the DCT will make this a wonderful track car when the F___ing thing has no brakes. Guys I told you that BMW doesn't know how to do brakes and here is a perfect example of this. Plus for track use 50/50 weight balance or should I say 51.5/48.5 balance is no use for track work, you can't get the traction out of the corners that is required.

M3 is a great car but no trackday star, that is for sure.
It's a great track car. Every BMW is. But when you car comparing an M3 to a Porsche GT3... The Porsche slaughters it. And that R35 GT-R is a beast! It's like Clarkson said: "A playstation". It does everything for you and has millions of computers and buttons and sensors. The GT3 is the opposite, they took away most of the electronics to help the drive be more in sync with the car.

If I had to choose one - it'd be the Porsche. Everytime.

Nice video and thanks for uploading
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      02-23-2008, 02:09 PM   #56
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      02-23-2008, 03:12 PM   #57
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Did anyone notice the comment about the brakes, 2 laps and at the end of the second lap there was no brakes.
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Bring on the Brembos!
I think I'd start with the fluid, which clearly boiled, then decide on the Brembos
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      02-23-2008, 04:33 PM   #59
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      02-23-2008, 04:41 PM   #60
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I'm not going to defend the M3, which is the lesser of the vehicle for sure, but I see this video as just another datapoint, not a verdict. My thinking (if flawed fire away!):

1. It was 2C/35F during the test. For sure MPSCs lose a lot this cold, but they probably had a whole lot more left in them than the M3's PS2s
2. At these temps AWD is a bigger advantage than it would be at "normal" track day temps
3. Not a production GT-R
4. 6MT, not M-DCT. Not quite apples-to-apples
5. Driver seemed competent but still managed to boil the M3's brake fluid, seems odd to me. A different approach might have worked better.
6. BMW has never done well in the 0-anyspeed department. They simply suck at the 'strip. I'm OK with that.
7. One attempt at an ET is not enough practice in any manual car. Yes, I know this is big plus for autos, but the 6MT could certainly do better than it did

To say that the M3 is the lesser car is OK, but to say it got thrashed is a bit unfair.
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Do I understand this right: He drove the M3's lap with DSC on? That's neither beneficial for the time nor for the brakes. OK, they should keep up longer than two laps anyway...



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No South, he didn't do the laps with DSC on, he said during his quick lap that if he had used DSC, the oversteer would have been controlled but that it would have killed the power.

Two laps with a car which though not a true track day car but still one that the manufacturer acknowledges will be tracked none the less should have brakes capable of withstanding at least a good 6 laps of reasonable heavy braking. Remember that one of those two laps was an out lap which usually isn't performed at race speed, so basically one hard lap killed the brakes. Shocking isn't the word for it, BMW needs to do a lot better than this.
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No South, he didn't do the laps with DSC on, he said during his quick lap that if he had used DSC, the oversteer would have been controlled but that it would have killed the power.
Thanks for the correction. Have missed the 'if' part.

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Two laps with a car which though not a true track day car but still one that the manufacturer acknowledges will be tracked none the less should have brakes capable of withstanding at least a good 6 laps of reasonable heavy braking. Remember that one of those two laps was an out lap which usually isn't performed at race speed, so basically one hard lap killed the brakes. Shocking isn't the word for it, BMW needs to do a lot better than this.
Fully agree assuming the brakes weren't alreadly worn berfore.


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like it was said before...just being in the test is a testament to the m3...it's essentially a performance oriented luxury coupe(sedan too)...the fact that a car like that is tested against exotics is enough for me to cream over one...

i mean maybe a csl dsg would be a much better approximation...but for all i care i'd be just as happy with a e90 dsg wiping smug looks of lesser (sub gt2/gt3)porsche owners...on the way to pick up groceries...

who are the m3's real competitors? mb c63, lexus is-f...neither of these cars are even mentioned in the same sentence as any exotic or high performance vehicle...
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      02-23-2008, 10:58 PM   #65
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great video.. the guy ADMITS that he is biased to the M3 yet it comes in last. better yet the m3 is his so he knows how to drive and launch better than both the gt3 and the gtr because hes driven it much than the two although his 60 time wasnt impressive, we all know that it wouldn't make a comparable difference against the gt3 or the GTr. I don't even know why it was in the comparison....

I think the effort to drive those cars was fair and the facts are there, the GTR is faster,easier, and an amazing performance machine. I have to really give it up to nissan. Its time to see what everyone else has to offer after what nissan has set as a benchmark..

BTW, i would never get a GTR myself. I am an avid german car enthusiast or better yet, anything non japanese and I am crazily biased with the m3 and the gt3 so trust me, it kinda hurts to watch the video.
i agree. I have been trying to tell my friends or everyone i know.. the gt-r(skyline) kicks ass. I would get it. But i need another car. If i care about pure performance, hell yeah. If i cared about everythign else, ill go bmw... it hurts to say i lost to a nissan...
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how does a chipped turbo e90/e92 kick ass on a e90/e92 m3 btw?
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