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      02-25-2008, 11:47 PM   #67
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All of the current 335i owners on the forum will tell you that the 135i is a POS.. All of the other owners (325, 328, 330) will tell you to go for the 135i... Nough said!!!
That is a nice summary.
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      02-26-2008, 07:52 AM   #68
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Hey guys which do you think is a better overall value?
I've heard the best value $-wise is the 135i w/sport pkg. I'm really excited to see this car in person. It reminds me of the E30.
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      02-26-2008, 10:09 AM   #69
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NO comparasing...the 135 is freaking ugly.
It's for kid in their early 20s.
It would have been ugly back then too!
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      02-27-2008, 04:08 AM   #70
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i think many of you underestimate the 135i i do agree it's a bit expansive for a 1 series. After it hits the market on march 22nd, a few months later we should hear better reviews from people on the 135i.
For now i like how the BMW Concept 1 Series Tii looks.

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      02-27-2008, 05:07 AM   #71
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The 135i is lighter so its a little faster than the 335i... But as far as looks, 335i hands down (135i looks like a german miata), also if your price range is 30-40k, then 135i, but if you have the money for a 355i, I'd get that.
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      02-27-2008, 05:08 AM   #72
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i think a 1 series will look pretty good with some mod. I just can't seem to accept the factory look... it just looks so...cute. I know you guys hate that word, but i must say, it just look cute to me more than performance oriented.

anyways, i know in my area, when the 1 series comes out, there will be a lot of girls and wives driving it. That is the ONLY reason, and a very enough reason, for me to stay away from the 1 series.
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      02-27-2008, 05:54 AM   #73
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The 3 has the American proven market. The 3 is less than 200 pounds heavier. The 3 is less than $4000 more expensive when similarly equiped. From Fastestlaps.com, there is NO evidence to support the notion that the 135i is faster around a track than the 335i.

I just dont see the point in having a smaller car just because its smaller, nor do I want to drive car that's physically small, yet not light by comparison with similarly sized cars. My 3er is small enough in a world of SUVs and semis. If i'm going to buy something smaller, it better have something else it brings to the table. And the 135i doesn't.

200 pounds is significant, but it's not mind altering. Do you drive your 335is with 1 passenger and say "damn my car is a pig"? No.
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i think many of you underestimate the 135i i do agree it's a bit expansive for a 1 series. After it hits the market on march 22nd, a few months later we should hear better reviews from people on the 135i.
For now i like how the BMW Concept 1 Series Tii looks.

I think this will be the only way the car looks good. Doing the skunk exterior with aftermarket aero parts. The spoiler for the 1 series coupe looks fantastic.
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i think many of you underestimate the 135i i do agree it's a bit expansive for a 1 series. After it hits the market on march 22nd, a few months later we should hear better reviews from people on the 135i.
For now i like how the BMW Concept 1 Series Tii looks.
I think many of you 1 series guys OVERestimate the car. I remember reading over there how you had convinced yourselves that it was going to be the "next M3" and all that kind of garbage. C&D said explicitly in their first review that the car was not and did not live up to that. I like the 135, I think its a very cool car, but you guys are the ones who keep comparing it to the 3 series. So far the 335 has proven itself, it was in C&D's lightning lap, it ran a faster time at VIR than the RS4, etc, etc. We know what its capable of...I just get tired of guys who have ordered 1 series posturing about the car all over the internet before they have even driven one. All I have to say is that the car had better be faster than a 335...its a good bit smaller and it weighs less.
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      02-27-2008, 10:43 AM   #76
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I wouldn't trade in my 335, but the 135 was recently at the BMW Performance Driving Center in Spartanburg. Several of the instructors there told me the 135 beat...everything. 335, 550, 650, M5, M6, B7 all went down when they put it against the 135. In the straights, in the turns, around the track and at the pump, the 135 is one of the quickest cars BMW has ever made according to their tests.
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      02-27-2008, 12:00 PM   #77
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I wouldn't trade in my 335, but the 135 was recently at the BMW Performance Driving Center in Spartanburg. Several of the instructors there told me the 135 beat...everything. 335, 550, 650, M5, M6, B7 all went down when they put it against the 135. In the straights, in the turns, around the track and at the pump, the 135 is one of the quickest cars BMW has ever made according to their tests.
I heard the same from a M6 owner who just happenned to have returned from Spartanburg attending one of BMW's driving schools.
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      02-27-2008, 12:26 PM   #78
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I don't think anyone doubts the performance of the 135 but the looks etc. are another story...
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      02-27-2008, 12:56 PM   #79
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HAHAHAHAHAHA.

I would say EVERY CAR accelerates slower from a 5 mph roll than from a dead stop. Why? You are not in your torque curve.

When you launch from a stop, you can immediately put the engine where you want the power to be until the wheels grab traction.

From a roll, you are stuck at whatever rpm you took off from. And the meaning of turbo lag for MANY turbo cars.
To reiterate:

Most (read: all) car magazines test their 0-60 times by launching the cars at varying RPMs and with different electronic nannies on and off. They usually (read: always) do multiple launches to get the best time.

They test their 5-60 times by taking off as you would in traffic. The reason for a 5-60 time is to give you an idea of what your car, given an inexperienced driver (read: us), will do the 0-60 in, without putting too much wear on our precious vehicles.

That's how I understand it, at least.
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      02-27-2008, 01:29 PM   #80
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I don't think anyone doubts the performance of the 135 but the looks etc. are another story...
Agreed. The only thing that really bothers me about the 1er is that the headlights are a little bug-eyed. Other than that, the car looks pretty sporty.
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      02-27-2008, 03:26 PM   #81
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Well gee golly wiz "#", apparently the E92 335 and the E46 M3 are pretty damn near equals. What do you think about that?

The new bi-turbo 3 series coupe shows some impresive numbers on Nurburgring.

Laptime Nordschleife 8.26 min (4 seconds slower than M3)
Laptime Hockenheim 1.17,8 min (0,8 seconds faster than C55 and 1.5 seconds slower than M3)

0-100km/h 5.6 sec
0-200km/h 20,7 sec

36m slalom: 130km/h (M3 123km/h, C55 122km/h)
110m change lane: 136km/h (M6 137km/h, M3 136km/h, C55 134km/h)
Wet track: 1.36,8 min (M5 E60 1.36, 7min)

G-powers: 1.15g (C55, 1,10g and M3 1.10g)



E46 M3 vs Cayman: http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=45caf61a426ee

E46 M3 vs E92 335: http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=458da72e81532

E46 M3 vs E92 135: http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=473d6e85e5770

E92 335 vs E92 135: http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php...=473d6e85e5770



Skip to the last one if you'd like. The 135 is pathetic if it was geared towards racers. You can call the 335 a pig all day. The proof is in the pudding, or should I say the 135 ate too much pudding?

Sad, but the proof is in the numbers. You get the 135 to be a little different and to save a few bucks.

Speaking of pudding....I'm hungry....



This thread is centered around what is a better value. If performance is a value to you and automatic seat belts are not, the 135i has more value.

Almost everything you have attempted to dismiss, is an opinion. I happen to think the 135i looks entirely more BMW than the elegant, posh, out for the evening 335i. The 335i is it's current state will not out handle, out accelerate or out brake a 135i! Period!

As for it's size or amenities, thats up to you to decide if dual-climate control, logic7, mechanical seat belts, etc is a necessity over a ligher, more agile vehicle. If your a gentleman with young kids that you need to cart to practice, school, etc, then perhaps the heavier 335i with the bigger back seats suites your needs. But please don't grace us with whimsical banter about it being a tiny car, it is larger than the E36's and about the same size as the E46 330ci.

No need to defend your purchase, nobody is attacking the 335i, but you really need to respect BMW for their newest track star. I know a lot of boys from BMW CCA that are going to love this GT.

btw, my speced 135i is $45,520 wo/nav. A limited production track star that forgoes bloat, yeah I love pudding!
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if i wanted a car that looks like a$$ but was fast I wouldve bought a SRT4 and modded the $hit out of it.

135 is a poor mans 335...why get an ugly car to save 4-5k?? If your already dropping 40k might as well get the nicer car...

To top it off, I cant imagine why anybody would pay close to 40k for such a small/ugly car. 40 k could buy alot nicer cars, I think the 135 should be priced around 30k loaded
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if i wanted a car that looks like a$$ but was fast I wouldve bought a SRT4 and modded the $hit out of it.

135 is a poor mans 335...why get an ugly car to save 4-5k?? If your already dropping 40k might as well get the nicer car...

To top it off, I cant imagine why anybody would pay close to 40k for such a small/ugly car. 40 k could buy alot nicer cars, I think the 135 should be priced around 30k loaded


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All of the current 335i owners on the forum will tell you that the 135i is a POS.. All of the other owners (325, 328, 330) will tell you to go for the 135i... Nough said!!!


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      02-28-2008, 10:07 AM   #85
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if i wanted a car that looks like a$$ but was fast I wouldve bought a SRT4 and modded the $hit out of it.

135 is a poor mans 335...why get an ugly car to save 4-5k?? If your already dropping 40k might as well get the nicer car...

To top it off, I cant imagine why anybody would pay close to 40k for such a small/ugly car. 40 k could buy alot nicer cars, I think the 135 should be priced around 30k loaded

You can not compare this car to a neon, twin turbo inline 6 to 4 cyl turbo. Give me a break. Have you ever seen the car in person. The car looks more aggresive and sporty then the 3 in person. I'll admit the photos can make it look awkward in person, but in person it is very aggresive looking. You say why would anyone pay 40k for a small car, what about the last generation 3 series, it was pretty much the same size. Poor man's 335, yeah ok, so then what do you have, poor man's 535. You could say that all the way down the BMW line if you wanted. They are two different types of cars, one more for that everyday driving, and the other is going back to the route's of bmw, a smaller yet sportier car. It may be heavier then the older bmw's but it has a nice size, and for today's cars is not heavy. I know you people say its only 200 pounds lighter then the 3, but hey 200 pounds is 200 pounds. With a curb weight around 3200 pounds, it is not that heavy at all. I'm of course estimating the curb weight from the unladen weight BMW gives on their website.

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The only differences is the weight and rear seating. the rest is up to your own personal opinion.
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