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      02-16-2008, 01:19 PM   #1
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e92 M3 with Dual clutch tranny ?

Hello all, I don't recall off hand what BMW is calling their version of VW/Audi's DSG tranny, but has BMW released a date when the e92 M3 is going to be released with this tranny yet?

I know they are saying it will go from 0-62.1 mph .2 seconds faster than you can attain in a manual tranny car.
That's pretty impressive considering it only has to make 1 shift, and I believe it's going to weigh about 50-60 lbs more too.

Does anybody know if the "DSG" version will reach the 1/4 mile in 3rd gear or will it require a shift to 4th?
And if it's .2 seconds faster already to 62.1 mph could we expect .3 to .4 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile, or will it just hold the .2 second advantage.

Lastly, has BMW set a price for the "DSG" version yet (basically how much more for it than the 6MT car)??

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Should be faster, I havent come across answers to the rest of your questions, i'd be interested to know how much it is.
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      02-16-2008, 01:29 PM   #3
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Hello all, I don't recall off hand what BMW is calling their version of VW/Audi's DSG tranny, but has BMW released a date when the e92 M3 is going to be released with this tranny yet?

I know they are saying it will go from 0-62.1 mph .2 seconds faster than you can attain in a manual tranny car.
That's pretty impressive considering it only has to make 1 shift, and I believe it's going to weigh about 50-60 lbs more too.

Does anybody know if the "DSG" version will reach the 1/4 mile in 3rd gear or will it require a shift to 4th?
And if it's .2 seconds faster already to 62.1 mph could we expect .3 to .4 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile, or will it just hold the .2 second advantage.
Lastly, has BMW set a price for the "DSG" version yet (basically how much more for it than the 6MT car)??

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Mantis is right, it's called M-DCT, production of M-DCT equipped cars starts in March, but availability is quite limited for the first months, price is $ 2,700.

After having a look at this thread it seems like both MT and DCT versions require a shift to 4th for the quarter mile.

DCT increases the weight by 44 lbs.


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      02-16-2008, 01:30 PM   #4
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Mantis is right, it's called M-DCT, production of M-DCT equipped cars starts in March, but availability is quite limited for the first months, price is 2,700.

After having a look at this thread it seems like both MT and DCT versions require a shift to 4th for the quarter mile.

DCT increases the weight by 44 lbs.


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I ordered the option, I believe its $2700
euros or dollars????


btw real cars have 3 pedals

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      02-16-2008, 02:47 PM   #7
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euros or dollars????
Sorry, my bad: $ 2,700. [costs €3.800 in Germany]
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btw real cars have 3 pedals

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Hmmm. M-DCT weighs 44lbs more...

So the weight difference between an M3 coupe with a moonroof and M-DCT and an M3 with a 6MT and CF roof is at least 90 lbs! Something to think about for the weight conscious. I'll be having the latter.

I wonder what the weight difference between the 18" and 19" rolling stock is?

Sorry to get a little off topic.
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Hmmm. M-DCT weighs 44lbs more...

So the weight difference between an M3 coupe with a moonroof and M-DCT and an M3 with a 6MT and CF roof is at least 90 lbs! Something to think about for the weight conscious. I'll be having the latter.

I wonder what the weight difference between the 18" and 19" rolling stock is?

Sorry to get a little off topic.
It weights 44lbs more and is faster but all you need are lighter wheels, a lighter exhaust and possibly recarro seats and you will be lighter than a manual. Of course the manual can get the same weight reductions and be 44 lbs lighter once again, but M-DCT will still shift faster everytime.
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euros or dollars????


btw real cars have 3 pedals

jkjk hahah
I'm only interested in non-real cars so the M-DCT is a rather fortunate development. When I get my car and point it out you probably won't even be able to see it if things go as planned.
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Mantis is right, it's called M-DCT, production of M-DCT equipped cars starts in March, but availability is quite limited for the first months, price is $ 2,700.

After having a look at this thread it seems like both MT and DCT versions require a shift to 4th for the quarter mile.

DCT increases the weight by 44 lbs.


Best regards, south


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Always informative. I didn't know about the 44 pound difference. I figured it would be more.
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      02-16-2008, 03:58 PM   #12
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yeah 44lbs aint bad at all...specially since there are drivers that make up that difference with their waist lines...
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yeah 44lbs aint bad at all...specially since there are drivers that make up that difference with their waist lines...
Those drivers should obtain carbon fiber waist and ass modifications.
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That's it, the 6MT is the only choice. All others will bow!!

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Don't race with a fattie in the passenger seat. 44lbs? Who cares? The average dude will have shit in the trunk and a six pack in the back seat at least. Now we're down to 30 lbs difference. And what if the DCT guy is racing with 4 galllons in the tank and you just topped off? Semantics I say...don't get me wrong, I ordered DCT but love the 6MT as I had it on my 330i. But I think DCT will prove to be an interesting option at least. Time will tell.
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Wow, $2700 more for the MDCT??

Guess they know people will pay more for the performance.
It's only around $1,400 more in an Audi
And it's only $1,075 more in a VW GTI

The DSG adds 51 lbs in the VW/Audi.
So the 44 lbs BMW is adding to the weight is right in the ballpark (their 6 speed manual is probably a bit heavier than VW/Audis).

But $2,700 Wow, that's a bit steep. In many cars you don't pay that much difference between a V6 and a V8 ENGINE!!

What's amazing is there is a $5,700 difference between an M3 Sedan 6MT and a M3 Coupe with MDCT.
Again, that's like the difference in price between many car companies small car and their midsize car. BMW wants that much just for a 2 door and MDCT of the same car.

Is the carbon fiber roof only on the M3 Coupe? if so that would mostly explain the $3000 price difference.
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With 10 shifts a lap at Watkins Glen, My M-DCT car will be making some serious time on the MT folks every lap.
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Is the carbon fiber roof only on the M3 Coupe? if so that would mostly explain the $3000 price difference.
Yes, CF roof is only on the M3 Coupe.


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With 10 shifts a lap at Watkins Glen, My M-DCT car will be making some serious time on the MT folks every lap.
Assuming M-DCT works smoothly and your car is not in the shop dealing with technical issues. If it is---no worries---I'll let you ride along with me in my MT.
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Wow, $2700 more for the MDCT??

Guess they know people will pay more for the performance.
It's only around $1,400 more in an Audi
And it's only $1,075 more in a VW GTI

The DSG adds 51 lbs in the VW/Audi.
So the 44 lbs BMW is adding to the weight is right in the ballpark (their 6 speed manual is probably a bit heavier than VW/Audis).

But $2,700 Wow, that's a bit steep. In many cars you don't pay that much difference between a V6 and a V8 ENGINE!!

What's amazing is there is a $5,700 difference between an M3 Sedan 6MT and a M3 Coupe with MDCT.
Again, that's like the difference in price between many car companies small car and their midsize car. BMW wants that much just for a 2 door and MDCT of the same car.

Is the carbon fiber roof only on the M3 Coupe? if so that would mostly explain the $3000 price difference.
I don't understand why you are complaining about the price because you americans get the M3 at a lower price compared to the rest of the world, I honestly don't understand your complainings regarding the price.
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