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Huckabee is a religious fundie and should never be allowed to hold any public office.
Mike Huckabee did a good job in Arkansas for 10 years as Governor.

America's 5 Best Governors
Sunday, Nov. 13, 2005 By AMANDA RIPLEY AND KAREN TUMULTY/WASHINGTON
Mike Huckabee/Arkansas
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When former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee visits New Hampshire today he will no doubt attempt to spin the facts about his fiscal record. Despite evidence to the contrary, Huckabee continues to deny his record of raising taxes as Governor in attempt to pander to the right wing conservative base. But the truth is, Mike Huckabee has a long history of fiscal irresponsibility and was rated one of the worst among freshman state executives by the Fiscal Policy Report Card, much to the chagrin of the same conservatives he's trying to impress.

"Mike Huckabee's claims that he's an anti-tax executive are just plain untrue," said Democratic National Committee spokesperson Amaya Smith. "Apparently, Huckabee thinks that he can make false statements and people won't check the facts. As Governor, Huckabee implemented an increase on everything from cigarettes, to gasoline and even on driver's licenses. It's clear that Huckabee is more sincere about trying to fool the right wing extremists in his own Party than trying to serve all Americans. While he's in New Hampshire he should use this opportunity to stop the spin and be forthcoming about his real record as a tax and spend Governor."

TAX AND SPEND HUCKABEE HEADS TO NEW HAMPSHIRE FOR TRUTH SESSION?
Huckabee Is Really a "Tax-And-Spend" Politician. According to an editorial in the Arkansas Leader, "Regardless of his (Huckabee's) rhetoric at Memphis and elsewhere in his travels, his record as a tax-and-spend, big-government politician won't help in a party that is now captive of the far right. His personal story, unlike the prisoner-of-war John McCain's, is not compelling: a Baptist preacher who goes into politics and melts off a hundred pounds of baby fat under medical-school supervision." [Arkansas Leader, 3/15/06]

Few Knew at Republican Conference That Huckabee Raised Taxes on Working Families. While Mike Huckabee touted himself as a fiscal conservative at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference, according to an editorial in the Arkansas Leader, Huckabee implemented "a string of tax increases largely on Arkansas working families that far offset the little income tax cut: three sales tax increases, expansion of the sales tax to many services, an income tax surcharge, gasoline taxes, diesel taxes, cigarette and tobacco taxes and a drivers license increase. The delegates may not have known that he helped arrange the largest expansions of government-paid medical care in Arkansas history (largely paid by U.S. taxpayers), compiled a larger general-obligation debt than all previous governors combined, increased the number of government employees by 20 percent (to 52,440 in January) in only nine and a half years and conducted a liberal policy of criminal pardons and commutations." [Arkansas Leader, 3/15/06]

Newspaper "There Was No Straight Talk" From Huckabee On Recent Tax Questions. Asked about his record of raising taxes in Arkansas, Governor Huckabee "said he had cut taxes 94 times and that all the other governors in Arkansas' 160 years had never cut taxes a single time among them." The Arkansas Leader responded, saying, "That was manifestly a lie. He had been corrected on that several times in Arkansas since he began to utter it." Other Arkansas governors "engineered serious tax cuts, although like Huckabee they had raised taxes even more." The newspaper also accused Huckabee of trying to take credit for a 1997 income tax cut that was prescribed by his predecessor. And finally, the newspaper attacked Huckabee for misstating that the Arkansas voters were responsible for higher highway taxes. In conclusion the newspaper warned, "There was no straight talk from our man on his maiden outing, and straight talk is his only chance to set himself apart from the vast field. He often claims heavenly guidance. Now is the time to listen to it." [The Arkansas Leader, 1/31/07]

Huckabee Said "Taxes Don't Need to Go Up Just Because They Can." Speaking to an audience, Mike Huckabee talked about his anti-tax views. "I have a feeling most of you believe that the people who work and earn money and have to pay taxes, somehow ought to get to keep more of that money than a government who didn't work for it and who will take more of it and more of it and more if it if they think they can get away with it," Huckabee said. "And it always has occurred to me that the people who earn the money probably will do a better job of spending it than the people that didn’t earn it. That's why taxes don't need to go up just because they can and because somebody has a spending habit that you're supposed to be able to fix." [Remarks at Iowa Christian Coalition, 3/6/06]

Then On National Television, Huckabee Dodged Pledge Not To Raise Taxes As President. Asked if he would keep raising federal taxes on the table as President, Mike Huckabee dodged the question, saying "I think you got to be very careful. I wouldn't propose any new taxes. I wouldn't support any. But if we’re in a situation where we are in a different level of war, where there is no other option, I think that it's a very dangerous position to make pledges that are outside the most important pledge you make, and that is the oath you take to uphold the Constitution and protect the people of the United States." [Meet the Press, 1/28/07]


HUCKABEE HURT MIDDLE-CLASS BY RAISING TAXES OVER TENURE

Huckabee Raised Taxes Over His Tenure As Governor, Hurting the Middle-Class. Governor Huckabee pushed for a sales tax increase in 1996, 2002 and 2004, and a fuel tax in 1999 squeezing the pockets of middle-class citizens on everyday purchases and for workers who needed to drive to and from work. Huckabee also made it clear he opposed sales tax exemption bills because they would hurt his tight state budget. A conservative fiscal group pointed out that "by the end of his ten-year tenure, Governor Huckabee was responsible for a 37% higher sales tax in Arkansas, 16% higher motor fuel taxes." [Arkansas Democrat Gazette, 1/19/06; The Commercial Appeal, 7/1/99, The Associated Press, 4/2/99; Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 11/15/02, The Associated Press, 11/15/02; AP, 2/6/04; Arkansas Democrat Gazette, 1/19/06; Club for Growth, Presidential White Paper #1]

REPUBLICANS FIGHTING REPUBLICANS IN WHITE HOUSE RACE
Huckabee Has Been Selected As the First Presidential Contender For Conservative Groups to Attack Because of His Dishonesty on Tax Issues. "Huckabee is preparing to run as the "true" GOP conservative but "Huckabee's appeal to the party's conservative base - at least those factions who focus more on economic issues - appears far from guaranteed. One fiscally conservative group, the Club for Growth, is already opposing Huckabee based on its interpretation of his record on spending and taxes in Arkansas." In fact, Club for Growth has targeted Huckabee as the first presidential candidate to highlight because "many candidates" like Huckabee "will say they do support these [fiscally conservative] policies. For some, their records in office suggest otherwise." [New York Times, 2/6/07; Club for Growth, Presidential White Paper #1]

Key Fiscal Conservatives Warn Other Republicans Against Huckabee. Americans for Tax Reform's Grover Norquist said that Huckabee "would have a serious problem" getting his support in a White House bid since he raised taxes. And Andy Roth, director of federal affairs at the Club for Growth added, "I've been screaming at the top of my lungs at the Club for Growth blog about Huckabee's poor record on taxes while conservatives have been extremely nice to him...Just so you know, if Huckabee continues to get good press, I'm only going to get louder. Republicans shouldn't be (electing) a tax hiker as president." [Hotline On-Call, 3/27/06; The Hotline, 5/13/05]

National Review: Huckabee "Tax-And-Spend Fever." According to the conservative National Review's Tim Carney, "Huckabee is certainly not alone as a Republican governor eager to raise taxes, but his tax-and-spend fever has effects in Washington..." Huckabee has been called a "habitual tax-hiker," by Republican groups. [Club for Growth, 2/27/06; National Review, 5/19/03]

Huckabee Went From a "Fiscal Responsibility" Grade of "D" to "F". The conservative Cato Institute gave Mike Huckabee a "D" grade, the 3rd worst rating among non-freshman state executives in its Fiscal Policy Report Card on America’s Governors in 2004, only to give him an "F" in 2006. [Cato Institute Fiscal Policy Report Card, 2004-2006]
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A Plea from Arkansas: Christian Conservatives Need to Take a Closer Look at Mike Huckabee's Record as Governor

by David Thompson

As a conservative, evangelical, politically-active father of four in Arkansas I believe it is imperative for like-minded voters to become more familiar with the Mike Huckabee that just completed 10 years as our governor. I realize it’s sometimes hard to know what to believe during a campaign, so I've tried to include links to published stories, with most coming from years past when the events noted were taking place.

For those who don't know much about me, I attend a very conservative evangelical church in Central Arkansas that includes some other politically active members (past/present elected officials, lobbyists, candidates, etc), and our family currently homeschools our young children. Since 1996, I have been heavily involved in numerous Republican campaigns in Arkansas at all levels (even managing a few). I have also served as vice chairman of the Republican committee in Arkansas' largest county. Yet I don't know of a single person in these circles who is supporting Huckabee for President - although I do know many that are definitely not supporting him. Of course, this is anecdotal evidence, but consider that Huckabee just finished serving 10 years as our governor (and I am sure there are many Republicans in Arkansas who are supporting him - I just don't know them). The truth is, most conservatives in Arkansas had written him off long before his Presidential bid.

That said, here are 7 key reasons I cannot in good conscience support Mike Huckabee as the Republican nominee for President. This is based on his record here and is not a personal attack - I cannot speak for his or anybody's motives. This list is not the result of intense research - it's based on what I know and have experienced first-hand as a politically-active conservative Arkansan. It's a list I could have given you 6 months or even 2 years ago. And I am not attempting to echo or give validity to any criticism he is now receiving nationally (and I don’t think ALL of it is fair). This is the Mike Huckabee we know.

1) Governor Huckabee did lasting damage to the Republican Party and conservative movement in Arkansas.

It's hard to go after Democrats with a conservative message when your Republican Governor is out front releasing violent criminals, providing state benefits to illegals, pushing tax increases, expanding government spending and programs, and constantly walking an ethical tight-rope (more on each of these items to follow). This tied our party's hands - many conservatives got frustrated, apathy set in, and some quit the fight. In addition:

Huckabee insisted on having "his people" controlling the Republican Party campaign organizations that are set up in Arkansas each election cycle. He also insisted that his guy remain as state party chairman when party leaders planned to make a change. The mismanagement and ineptness that followed was so great that the Republican Party plunged into debt and the Federal Election Commission levied the the largest fine ever against a state political party following an investigation of the 2000 and 2002 election cycles. Obviously, this set back the Republican Party of Arkansas for years.
When Huckabee started his first full term in 1998, Arkansas had just elected a Republican Governor, Lt. Governor, U.S. Senator, and 2 Republican Congressmen. Upon his leaving office in 2007, Republicans now hold no statewide offices, have no Republicans in the U.S.Senate, and only one Republican Congressman remains.
It was often said during Huckabee's term that Arkansas had 3 parties: Republican Party, Democrat Party, and the Huckabee Party.
"He destroyed the conservative movement in Arkansas, and left the Republican Party in shambles." - Phyllis Schlafly, president of the national Eagle Forum

"His support for taxes split the Republican Party, and damaged our name brand." – Former Arkansas State Representative Randy Minton (R)

"I think if they knew [his record] it would totally de-energize them . . . his policies are just wrong." – Former Arkansas State Senator Jim Holt’s (R) warning for conservatives around the country who think they have found their candidate in Mike Huckabee.


2) Governor Huckabee's non-stop clemencies continually hindered the work of criminal prosecutors and miffed Republicans. The numbers are staggering - over 1,000 clemencies and commutations of criminals as governor. Most people now are familiar with his push to parole convicted rapist Wayne Dumond, who went on to rape and murder a Missouri woman less than a year after his release. But there are many more troubling facts regarding Huckabee’s pattern of releasing violent criminals. While I cannot speak for Huckabee’s motives, it seems clear that he used poor judgment and was reckless with this executive power.

Huckabee released more criminals than the combined total of every border state to Arkansas (made up of Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi, and Louisiana) - even though the combined population of these states is 16 times higher than Arkansas'. He also issued more than double the clemencies of his three predecessors combined.
In many cases, Huckabee's actions set loose savage criminals convicted of grisly murders over the passionate objections of prosecutors and victims' families. This American Spectator story details some of these violent cases and explains the resulting difficulties they presented prosecutors working with other victims and their families.
Huckabee and his appointees ignored the laws on the books, including the requirement to notify victims' families and explain the reasons for those clemencies. He said to fully explain his reasoning would cost millions of dollars and "take money away from education and Medicaid and other things."
A 2004 investigative article by the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette found that prisoners had a better chance of being granted clemency by Huckabee if they had a mutual acquaintance, labored at the governor's mansion under a prisoner work program, or a minister intervened on their behalf. Prosecutors say Huckabee was more inclined to release or reduce the sentences of prisoners if he had direct contact with them or was lobbied by those close to him.
He often refused to learn the facts of the cases (sometimes not even reading the murderer's own confession), made no attempt to get the police/prosecutor's case files, or even get input from the victims' families before making his decision.
The clemency granted to one multiple DUI offender was likely tied to large political contributions from the offender's family, including a soft money political organization run by Huckabee's people.
Good summary article
"Last January, after Mississippi Gov. Ronnie Musgrove, a Democrat, lost his re-election bid, he issued 16 clemencies, and there was a huge outcry. That's how many Huckabee averages per month." – Arkansas Leader, (August 11, 2004)

"He seems to believe that granting clemency to murderers, rapists, drunk drivers and other convicted criminals is a part of the everyday affairs of the governor's office rather than something that he should approach cautiously and selectively." – Robert Herzfeld, Saline County Prosecuting Attorney during Huckabee’s tenure

"I know some of the people that Huckabee let loose have reoffended. Some of them we've caught and some of them we haven't caught......I used to be able to tell the families of victims, in all good faith and candor, that it was a rare event when a governor commuted a sentence and let a murderer back out, or a rapist back out or a child molester back out. But I can't do that anymore." - Larry Jegley, longtime Pulaski County Prosecuting Attorney

"I felt like Huckabee had more compassion for the murderers than he ever did for the victims." - Elaine Colclasure, co-leader of the Central Arkansas chapter of Parents of Murdered Children.


3) Governor Huckabee's pattern was to ignore immigration laws, often in the name of Christianity.

Huckabee opposed immigration enforcement as governor on a number of fronts. Immigration enforcement groups call Huckabee’s record on immigration "a disaster" and reference him as they guy who "scares the heck" out of them.

In 2001, Huckabee’s human services liaison Robert Trevino pushed for legislation to provide driver’s licenses for illegals. It was understood by legislators that he acted with Huckabee's blessing.
In 2001, Huckabee opposed a measure to require proof of citizenship to vote.
In 2005, Huckabee supported a bill that offered illegal immigrants in-state tuition rates and made them eligible for the same merit-based scholarships to Arkansas state colleges and universities as legal citizens. The bill would have violated federal law and was not enacted by the legislature.
In 2005, he opposed a bill that denied some state benefits to illegals and required proof of citizenship to vote (patterned after Arizona’s Prop 200 that has been successful in curtailing illegal immigration in that state). In this story, Huckabee called the measure "un-American….inflammatory….race-baiting and demagoguery." He added that the bill "inflames those who are racist and bigots and makes them think there’s a real problem. But there’s not." He then singled out State Senator Jim Holt, also an openly professing Christian, saying, "I drink a different kind of Jesus juice."
In 2005, Huckabee criticized federal agents for a recent crackdown on illegals, saying that it wasn’t fair to the innocent family members of those targeted in the operation. (No word on whether he also opposes raids on other law-breakers who might also have innocent family members affected by the fruits of their illegal activity.)
In 2005, Huckabee promoted an "open door" policy on immigration as he addressed the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC) national convention in Little Rock. LULAC is a left-leaning group that opposes virtually all measures of immigration enforcement.
"He was an absolute disaster on immigration as governor. Every time there was any enforcement in his state, he took the side of the illegal aliens." - Roy Beck, president of NumbersUSA, a group that played a major role in rallying the phone calls that helped defeat this year's Senate immigration bill.

"I would hope he could be trusted to secure the borders, but given his track record in Arkansas, I don't see the conservative he has portrayed himself to be in Iowa." - Jake Files, a former Arkansas state representative and current chairman of the Sebastian County Republican Party

4) Governor Huckabee was no friend to fiscal conservatives in Arkansas.

Huckabee’s record on taxes, government spending, and growing government programs was miserable. Basically, when the economy got tough, Huckabee expected families like mine to tighten our budgets in order to help state government meet its spending whims.

In 2003, Huckabee called a special session of the legislature to push for a tax increase to make up for spending shortfalls. This led to his signing HB1039, an across the board income tax and tobacco tax increase. Huckabee even refused to consider a Republican proposal to cut spending and use general improvement funds (i.e., legislative pork) to make up for the budget shortfall. Ironically, the same day Huckabee was practically begging the Arkansas legislature to raise taxes (here’s the video), President Bush was also in Little Rock to push for his tax cut plan. (Note: When asked about this video recently, Huckabee gave a misleading response to Fox News, blaming his tax increase plea on a court order. This prompted State Representative Johnny Key, the current Republican Leader in the Arkansas House, to send out a letter correcting the accuracy of Huckabee's statement.)
If that weren't enough, Huckabee called a 2nd special legislative session in 2003 to pass a nearly one-cent state sales tax increase. The measure also expanded the sales tax to include previously exempted services (for more information and context, see reason #6 below).
During Huckabee’s term, Arkansas showed a net tax increase of $505 million, and the average Arkansan’s tax burden grew from $1,969 to $2,902. Governor Huckabee raised more taxes in 10 years in office than Bill Clinton did in his 12 years.
During Huckabee’s 10 years as governor, state spending more than doubled (from $6.6 billion to $16.1 billion), higher education and public schools got big increases, as did social services. Meanwhile, the state added about 8,000 full-time workers to its payroll during that period, a 19% increase (according to the Bureau of Legislative Research).
The conservative Cato Institute gave Huckabee an "F" for his final term as governor on its Fiscal Policy Report Card, saying, "Huckabee’s leadership has left taxpayers in Arkansas much worse off." His grade was lower than 15 of the 21 Democrat Governors. His overall grade as governor was a D.
"The main reason for the drop was his insistence on raising taxes at almost every turn throughout his final term." – Cato Institute explaining why Huckabee had dropped from a "D" to an "F" on their Fiscal Policy Report Card.

"[Huckabee] says he’s pro-family. If you’re raising taxes on the families of Arkansas, causing wives to go out and get jobs to make ends meet, that’s not pro-family." - Former Arkansas State Representative Randy Minton (R)

"In the past, he blamed Democrats for raising taxes...We voted for them, but he proposed them." - Arkansas State Senator John Paul Capps, a Democrat

5) Huckabee left a long trail of ethics questions while Governor of Arkansas

This is an area where I think Huckabee does receive some unfair criticism. Some of the ethics charges against him were frivolous and politically motivated. However, it has been concerning for some time just how much the governor accepted in gifts and how he was seemingly always pushing ethical limits.

During his tenure, Huckabee accepted 314 gifts valued overall at more than $150,000, according to documents filed with the Arkansas' Secretary of State office.
The Huckabees set up wedding registries at local department stores as Mike was leaving office – even though they had been married for 30 years. State ethics laws prohibited Huckabee from receiving gifts of more than $100……but there was an exception for wedding gifts.
Judicial Watch, a non-partisan group dedicted to fighting government corruption, listed Huckabee among their Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians of 2007. Huckabee was one of only three Republican politicians to make the list.
6) Huckabee's education record shows him to be an advocate of the "status quo"

The New Hampshire chapter of the National Education Association (NEA) has endorsed Hillary Clinton and Mike Huckabee for the upcoming Primary elections. This is the first time in memory that they have recommended a Republican (in 2004 they endorsed Howard Dean). They likely chose Huckabee because:

Huckabee has consistently opposed virtually all proposals for education reform, including school choice vouchers.
The former president of Eagle Forum of Arkansas said Huckabee "continued the Hillary Clinton education plan" as our governor.
When the Arkansas Supreme Court ruled that Arkansas’ public school funding was "inequitable," Huckabee took the ruling as a mandate to raise taxes in order to once again increase school funding...which he did. (To his credit, however, he also used the opportunity to consolidate some of the school districts in the state - although rural legislators severely watered down the proposal.)
7) Huckabee has very little support for his Presidential bid here in Arkansas

For the most part those in his party who know him best are not supporting him.

In October, a University of Arkansas poll showed that, among all Presidential candidates in both parties, only 8% of Arkansans said they were supporting Mike Huckabee.
That same week, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported that only one-third of Republicans in the Arkansas Legislature said they were supporting their former governor's Presidential bid.
After this story, the Huckabee campaign published a list of supporters in his home state. The Arkansas News Bureau then reported that as some of the names on Huckabee's Arkansas endorsement list were used without permission and had to be removed.
This is purely anecdotal, but despite my involvement in Republican politics, I am unaware of any of my Republican friends who are supporting Huckabee. I have seen maybe 3 Huckabee for President bumper stickers – and I live in Republican west Little Rock and work 2 miles from the state capitol where Huckabee just completed over 10 years as Governor (my wife says she saw her first sticker today…..guess he's picking up steam here!).
"...if Huckabee didn't have things sewn up with Republicans back home, what kind of message did that send?....The truth is that Huckabee hasn't had that much support from former and current Republican legislators." - David Sanders, conservative columnist for Arkansas News Bureau (November 11, 2007)

Conclusion:

I realize the Republican Presidential field does not leave true conservatives with much to get excited about. However, it is unlikely I will support Huckabee over any of the Republican frontrunners because of his liberal record, his questionable judgment, and his reckless use of power while Governor. Now is not the time for Republicans to compromise on core conservative values. More importantly, we need a leader with a history of using strong judgment as our nation continues to lead the world in the War on Terror.

Two final questions:

1) Given the many vulnerabilities in his record, what is the likelihood that Huckabee would win in a general election? Democrat National Committee officials have already been quoted as saying that they see Huckabee as "easy kill" and refer to him as "the glass jaw -- and they're just waiting to break it." The DNC has issued over 200 attack press releases on Republican candidates - only 4 on Huckabee, the last one coming 10 months ago.

2) Does his record as governor represent someone who should be given greater power and responsibility? Is he Commander and Chief material? Leader of the free world? National Review recently expressed concern, and Huckabee raised eyebrows with recent comments critical of U.S. Foreign policy and our role in the world - he was essentially repeating the Democrat talking points!

Feel free to pass this letter on or contact me if you have any questions about anything stated here. I have tried very carefully to be fair, accurate, and to stick to facts from Huckabee's record. But it's certainly possible I made a mistake somewhere or worded something poorly. I would be more than happy to further dialogue on any of these issues.

Sincerely,

David Thompson

Little Rock, Arkansas
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Swallow these facts ....
I have summarized the points in your post and added my comments in square brackets. For a more detailed response, refer to Truth Squad.

income tax cut
[$80 million tax cut package]

37% higher from three sales tax increases (1996, 2002 and 2004)
expansion of the sales tax to many services
an income tax surcharge
16% higher gasoline and diesel taxes (1999)
cigarette and tobacco taxes
drivers license increase

helped arrange the largest expansions of government-paid medical care in Arkansas history
larger general-obligation debt than all previous governors combined
increased the number of government employees by 20 percent
[What did your state, or Massachusetts do during the same period? And under the governorship of your guy?]

Huckabee Dodged Pledge Not To Raise Taxes As President
[Since then he has signed the pledge. Thompson and Giuliani still refuse. IMHO he shouldn't have signed it.]

opposed sales tax exemption bill
[Keep it fair. Why should some goods be exempt and others not? It would require increasing taxes elsewhere.]

[For the federal government of the United States, Governor Mike Huckabee supports an immediate reduction in the marginal income tax rates. Long-term Governor Huckabee advocates repealing the 16th Amendment (Amendment 16 - Status of Income Tax Clarified. Ratified 2/3/1913. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.) Governor Huckabee proposes replacing it with the FairTax.]
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As I surveyed the campaign coverage of post-Iowa, mid-Wyoming, and pre-New Hampshire I found pretty much a mixed bag. Nobody really knows what’s going to happen, but everyone’s willing to hazard a guess.

Then I happened upon Michael Medved’s latest Townhall column and I started to get just a little miffed. I don’t really have an opinion on Medved – I’ve never really listened to his show, I don’t read his stuff and my only exposure to him has been via Blogfather Hugh’s radio show. Medved has now come out as a McCain backer, but his latest diatribe will most likely find its way to Team Huck for distribution.

Medved would have you believe there is no anti-Mormon bigotry behind Huck’s success in Iowa and in other evangelical heavy states. I’m not going to take Medved’s data apart here, simply because its not necessary to prove my point. I’d simply like to pose a question which turn’s Medved’s logic on it’s head:

But for religion, where would the race stand today?

But for religion, Mike Huckabee would be lagging back in single digit polling no matter what state he ran in. He’d be rightly labeled as a populist tax and spend governor of a state that – were it not for its alphabetical ranking – most Americans would never have heard about. His attitude toward and record on crime – demonstrated by his seemingly endless string of pardons – would subject him to an endless barrage of questions and commentary which would subsequently consign his campaign to the Dukakis Memorial Dust Bin. His Carter-esque foreign policy ideas would lead most responsible Republicans to run screaming from the room – to say nothing of his economic ideals which appeal to the masses but portend fiscal danger and disaster should they ever actually be implemented.

So what, pray tell, is Huck’s appeal? He plays the religion card and manages to convince some Iowans that he’s one of them. He brands himself as the “Christian Leader” thereby calling into question the religiosity of every other candidate – a not-at-all veiled jab at Mitt Romney. He then takes an even less-veiled broadside at Mitt specifically and Mormonism in general with his throwaway line to the New York Times Magazine specifically designed to put religious and not political differences on the front page – again.

While Huck may have apologized for that insult, and Mitt may have accepted said apology, the intent was clear. No, I don’t buy Huck’s explanation and I don’t accept his apology. After so many years at the pulpit, Huck knew exactly what he was saying and the publicity and religious furor it would generate. Huck’s “apology” is a bout as valid as Typhoid Mary’s would have been weeks after she came to town.

In short, but for religion, Huck would already be an also-ran.

On the other side of the spectrum you find Mitt Romney. Here is an exceptionally accomplished man – by any yardstick you choose to measure him. He has succeeded at nearly everything he’s ever even thought of attempting – be it professional, personal, or political. When the chips were down and conventional wisdom said it couldn’t be done, somebody called Mitt and the impossible got done.

Mitt has made over a quarter-billion dollars for himself, and untold billions for others in the private sector. Unlike any other candidate, he has created and saved untold millions of jobs for Americans. He enjoys new challenges, so he took it upon himself to save the 2002 Olympics and then serve his state. Having given Uncle Ted the race of his life and not being stymied by defeat he took a shot at the Governor’s chair and turned a state around. Most people would think Mitt had done enough and deserved a well earned early retirement.

In any other universe, Mitt would be so far beyond any other candidate – Democrat or Republican – this race would all but be over. He personifies the all American family man – married to the same woman for nearly four decades with five strapping sons all successful on their own merits. Norman Rockwell couldn’t have painted a better picture of a presidential candidate.

And yes, in case you were wondering, my picture does include all Mitt’s rightward shifts on the issues he takes hammers on. It wouldn’t matter – and in reality it doesn’t matter.

But for religion, Mitt would all but be sworn in. Were he Baptist, Presbyterian, Unitarian, Catholic, or Methodist the only questions in this campaign would be aimed at policy. But Mitt is Mormon, and evidently that changes the rules set down by over 200 years of American political tradition.

Were there no Mormon Question, the media might have to focus on issues that really matter rather than the actual location of the Garden of Eden or the actions of Mitt’s long dead relatives. They might actually have to work for a decent newsworthy story.

No matter what Mr. Medved claims, there is an undercurrent of religious bigotry which has and will continue to dog the Romney campaign. Bear in mind with the exception of the occasional reference to “faith”, Mitt has been fairly neutral on the subject of religion. He’s gone to great lengths to avoid bringing religion into a race for a secular office. Never the less, Mitt’s opponents and their surrogates seem to revel in reverting to religion at every opportunity.

What proof do I have of this undercurrent? I won’t bother pointing you to the surrogate blogs filled with a never ending diatribe of combined anti-Mitt and anti-Mormonism. I’ll just point you to Mike Huckabee’s officially sanctioned blog. What you’ll find there is just one example of many I could point you in what is fast becoming little more than a cesspool of anti-Morminism. Spare me the “Huck isn’t responsible for comments” excuse. It’s got his name on it, he’s responsible for it.

I’m not going so far as to blame all the woes of Team Mitt on religious bigotry – I’m not quite that naïve. What I am saying is that Mitt has one hurdle the other candidates are free to bypass – and it makes this campaign race much like Mitt having to run100 yard dash in knee-deep water while his opponents sprint down the track.

Even with that obstacle, Mitt is still running neck and neck with them.

That says more about Mitt that I ever could.
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...governor of a state that – were it not for its alphabetical ranking – most Americans would never have heard about.
Do you know what state that is? Has anyone here never heard about Arkansas? The writer has a low estimation of the intelligence of others because he thinks he is so smart.

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He then takes an even less-veiled broadside at Mitt specifically and Mormonism in general with his throwaway line to the New York Times Magazine specifically designed to put religious and not political differences on the front page – again.
What broadside is that? Is this referring to "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?"

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I’m not going so far as to blame all the woes of Team Mitt on religious bigotry – I’m not quite that naïve. What I am saying is that Mitt has one hurdle the other candidates are free to bypass – and it makes this campaign race much like Mitt having to run100 yard dash in knee-deep water while his opponents sprint down the track.
He said, " I’m not going so far as to blame all the woes of Team Mitt on religious bigotry – I’m not quite that naïve" yet that is exactly what he did in this article. See the next quote.

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In any other universe, Mitt would be so far beyond any other candidate – Democrat or Republican – this race would all but be over.
Mitt already anticipates coming into that universe. He will be god of his own planet just like the Mormon Jesus Christ. Doesn't Willard Mitt Romney believe he came from the planet Kolob? Where is Kolob? Search google for what planet are mormons from?

Rips335iCoupe, you need to provide attribution when you quote someone else's writing. From what I can tell, the only two words in your post that are your own is "Article found..." It would be best in providing attribution that it would include a web link. I have provided links when I have quoted others. I think everyone else does, too. It may also be a one of the member requirements for posting in e90post.com forums. I know this is a requirement in most forums, and it certainly makes sense to give credit where credit is due for a writers words. This may be a legal requirement as well not far from the laws protecting writers from plagiarism.
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It was often said during Huckabee's term that Arkansas had 3 parties: Republican Party, Democrat Party, and the Huckabee Party.
I would like to see another political party or two. We should have a conservative Christian party (since most of the Republican party is trying to throw the Christians under the bus). And there should be a global warming party, or something that more effectively represents disenfranchised Democrats. Then we could see some really interesting elections.

Rips335iCoupe, it's good to see you post some intelligent thought. But the articles are too long. It might help if you summarized the points that are important to you and then link to the original articles for those who want to see the context and support or to see the original authorship.

Such a long post does not promote discussion because it is unlikely that it will even be read for the sake of time. Also, there is no central focus of the articles or you could summarize them in a few sentences or paragraphs that might elicit a response. In reading the Phyllis Schlafly article, there was some information that could make interesting discussion. But I wasn't willing to read on to plow through the rest of the articles. So they went unread.

I might ask, "So what is your point?"
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Look at what Huckabee left....

LITTLE ROCK — Arkansas ranks among the worst states in the nation for adults with a college education, placing 49th for the second consecutive year in percentage of adults over age 25 with at least a bachelor’s degree.
U.S. Census Bureau projections show 19 percent of the state’s adult population hadbachelor’s degrees in 2006, just ahead of West Virginia at 15.9 percent and just behind Kentucky at 20.2 percent, according to an annual Arkansas Department of Higher Education report.
Gov. Mike Beebe finds the ranking “unacceptable,” said his spokesman Matt DeCample.
“It is the governor’s priority to change that,” DeCample said.
The Arkansas Higher Education Coordinating Board, which oversees the state’s public colleges and universities, will review the report Friday at its regular quarterly meeting at the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville.
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Life is not cheap.

Sanctity of Life
  • I support and have always supported passage of a constitutional amendment to protect the right to life. My convictions regarding the sanctity of life have always been
  • clear and consistent, without equivocation or wavering. I believe that Roe v. Wade should be over-turned.
  • I applaud the Supreme Court's recent decision in Gonzales v. Carhart forbidding the gruesome practice of partial birth abortion. While I am optimistic that we
  • are turning the tide in favor of life, we still have many battles ahead of us to protect those who cannot protect themselves, and so it is vital that we elect a pro-life President.
  • I first became politically active because of abortion, when I helped pass Arkansas' Unborn Child Amendment, which requires the state to do whatever it legally can to protect life.
  • As Governor, I did all I could to protect life. The many pro-life laws I got through my Democrat legislature are the accomplishments that give me the most pride and personal satisfaction. To me, life doesn't begin at conception and end at birth. Every child deserves a quality education, first-rate health care, decent housing in a safe neighborhood, and clean air and drinking water. Every child deserves the opportunity to discover and use his God-given gifts and talents.
  • I am opposed to research on embryonic stem cells.

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Marriage
  • I support and have consistently supported passage of a federal constitutional amendment that defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman.
  • As Governor of Arkansas, I led the successful effort to pass a similar state constitutional amendment in 2002.
  • As Governor of Arkansas, I led the successful effort to make our state only the third to adopt "covenant" marriage.
  • Our true strength comes from our families.
  • I oppose any attempt to weaken the Defense of Marriage Act.

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Look at what Huckabee left....
Education And The Arts
  • I believe that every child should have the opportunity for a quality education that teaches the fundamental skills needed to compete in a global economy.
  • Music and the arts are not extraneous, extra-curricular, or expendable - I believe they are essential. I want to provide every child these "Weapons of Mass Instruction."
  • Our future economy depends on a creative generation.
  • We need to judge the success of our schools by the results we obtain, not the revenue we spend.
  • Test scores rose dramatically when I was Governor of Arkansas because of my education reforms.
  • I have been a strong, consistent supporter of the rights of parents to home school their children, of creating more charter schools, and of public school choice.
  • We need a clear distinction between federal and state roles in education. While there is value in the "No Child Left Behind" law's effort to set high standards, states must be allowed to develop their own benchmarks.

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  • I support and have consistently supported passage of a federal constitutional amendment that defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman.
  • As Governor of Arkansas, I led the successful effort to pass a similar state constitutional amendment in 2002.
  • As Governor of Arkansas, I led the successful effort to make our state only the third to adopt "covenant" marriage.
  • Our true strength comes from our families.
  • I oppose any attempt to weaken the Defense of Marriage Act.
You realize that Huck and McCain disagree on this one.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...age/index.html
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You realize that Huck and McCain disagree on this one.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...age/index.html
I am aware of that. Assuming he is picked, Vice President Huckabee, when he runs for President in 2012 or 2016 would have better support for his effort to forward this amendment. Perhaps a President McCain would ultimately embrace it as well.
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I am aware of that. Assuming he is picked, Vice President Huckabee, when he runs for President in 2012 or 2016 would have better support for his effort to forward this amendment. Perhaps a President McCain would ultimately embrace it as well.
you're such a dreamer...
Huckabee will disapear like Dole did after these elections...
And he should since he's not good for this country...or any other
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Governor Huckabee carries a large block of voters who have been spurned by the party elites. He connects with the people. He is one of us.

Consider a few items you could find in his resume.

* Small business would boom with the repeal of the 16th Amendment and implementation of the FairTax.
* Large business would also boom as our export market would grow.
* Our manufacturing industry would benefit, and we would have a better platform to build new industries.
* More of our consumption would be of domestic products.
* Investment and capital would not be taxed.
* The poor would not be left behind.
* Crime would not benefit from income tax avoidance.
* Illegal aliens would pay more tax than citizens because they do not get the prebate.

Governor Huckabee is the only candidate on either side of this race for the party nomination who has executive experience. He has much of it.

* 10-1/2 years Governor of Arkansas
* Chairman of the National Governors Association (NGA)
* Chairman of the Education Commission of the States
* President of the Council of State Governments

Huckabee wins Democrats as well as Republicans.

* The largest percentage of the Arkansas vote ever received by a Republican running for Governor
* The first major, broad-based tax cuts in Arkansas history ($90,000,000)
* Property Taxpayers' Bill of Rights
* Reduced welfare rolls by about 50 percent
* Doubled standard income tax deduction
* Huckabee left Arkansas in early 2007 with a budget surplus of over $800,000,000

Mike Huckabee wins in Republican states. John McCain wins in Democrat states. Can we rely on Democrat states in November? Must we win Republican states?
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You neo con right wing religious people respect life ONLY while in the womb.
Then, you send them to war, support death penalty and deny health coverage. Hypocrisy!!!!!
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You neo con right wing religious people respect life ONLY while in the womb.
Then, you send them to war, support death penalty and deny health coverage. Hypocrisy!!!!!

Ooh. Good point.

I would think Christians would be proponents of universal health care.

Personally, I think Canada's universal health care system sucks. There must be some middle ground for health care, perhaps some system that would pay for the health care of impovershed citizens and bill those that have jobs.
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Health Care
  • The health care system in this country is irrevocably broken, in part because it is only a "health care" system, not a "health" system.
  • We don't need universal health care mandated by federal edict.
  • We do need to get serious about preventive health care.
  • I advocate policies that will encourage the private sector to seek innovative ways to bring down costs.
  • I value the states' role as laboratories for new market-based approaches.
  • When I'm President, Americans will have more control of their health care options, not less.
  • As President, I will work with the private sector, Congress, health care providers, and other concerned parties to lead a complete overhaul of our health care system.
  • Our health care system is making our businesses non-competitive in the global economy. It is time to recognize that jobs don't need health care, people do, and move from employer-based to consumer-based health care.
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I love how everyone can post all the bad about Mike in a few posts.. It would crash the server here if us republicans started to post all that hillary has done wrong and the lack of experience or direction that obama has.


I like Mike.. I dont like McCain that Rips335iCoupe probably voted for... Just remember this McCain was almost going to run with John Kerry... Yes JOHN FREAKING KERRY.... I will never forgive and forget that, the only way McCain will win is the fact that he is a moderate not a conservative and he will attract all the independent votes along with a few liberals.

I guess what I like about Mike the most is he seems to get that fact that we need to take personal responsibility and solve the issue at the root and not make a cure. He also realizes that government should be smaller and only protect the people and allow us to prosper not do everything for us.

Granted I am not happy with any of the candidates I would rather have Mike than McCain and I would rather have any republican over Hillary or Obama. And if anything having mike in the race will only show McCain he needs to change a few issues since us conservatives are not happy with him, I like that McCain is actually going to take a look at the fair tax plan and various other issues. As Mike put it competition makes perfection, and in this case having him in the race still will only help McCain shape himself and pick up votes from people like myself but only if McCain picks up a few of Hucksters conservative values.
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I love how everyone can post all the bad about Mike in a few posts.. It would crash the server here if us republicans started to post all that hillary has done wrong and the lack of experience or direction that obama has.


I like Mike.. I dont like McCain that Rips335iCoupe probably voted for... Just remember this McCain was almost going to run with John Kerry... Yes JOHN FREAKING KERRY.... I will never forgive and forget that, the only way McCain will win is the fact that he is a moderate not a conservative and he will attract all the independent votes along with a few liberals.

I guess what I like about Mike the most is he seems to get that fact that we need to take personal responsibility and solve the issue at the root and not make a cure. He also realizes that government should be smaller and only protect the people and allow us to prosper not do everything for us.

Granted I am not happy with any of the candidates I would rather have Mike than McCain and I would rather have any republican over Hillary or Obama. And if anything having mike in the race will only show McCain he needs to change a few issues since us conservatives are not happy with him, I like that McCain is actually going to take a look at the fair tax plan and various other issues. As Mike put it competition makes perfection, and in this case having him in the race still will only help McCain shape himself and pick up votes from people like myself but only if McCain picks up a few of Hucksters conservative values.
John Kerry vs. G W Bush...
Hmmm...only an idiot (not that I call you one, but you figure out) would chose the second one...
But you did, and he ruined this country more than anyone ever could...

And now, you want a preacher that wants to force bible in my life and in my children's education???

Worse than Communism...if you even know what that is...
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