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      01-10-2008, 07:27 AM   #23
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its not something that i think i will consider for the same reason mentioned above (alright for a while but once you find your comfortably setting its more or less not something you will change). I understand that it is a dynamic thing constantly readjusting but agree that it will be something that only a few will notice / benefit from.
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      01-10-2008, 07:54 AM   #24
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I usually steer clear of this type of stuff in the name of simplicity and fewer moving parts.....
Like adaptive lights? Asking out of curiosity.
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      01-10-2008, 07:56 AM   #25
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I really liked it during a test drive, as it links into the m-button it just adds to the feeling of driving two cars in one.

As I'll be driving the car daily and often have two young kids in the back it's a nice option for me to have
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      01-10-2008, 11:15 AM   #26
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My BMW dealer told me not to bother with EDC when i was specing the car. He said that it was a bit of a gimmick that you might play around with for the first few weeks of the car and the forget about.
I took his advice. I have not driven a car with EDC so unfortunately i am in no position to make a comparison only to say that my non EDC car does the job perfectly well as far as i can tell.
IIRC, my dealer described EDC as a "sensible" choice. I've never been that sure they know very much
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      01-10-2008, 11:18 AM   #27
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IIRC, my dealer described EDC as a "sensible" choice. I've never been that sure they know very much
Just out of interest what dealer did u use?
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      01-10-2008, 11:37 AM   #28
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Just out of interest what dealer did u use?
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      01-10-2008, 11:53 AM   #29
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same as. Originally Mr. Stafford there but he moved, my contact is now ian.
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      01-10-2008, 01:04 PM   #30
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Like adaptive lights? Asking out of curiosity.
Absolutely. I'm not even sure what adaptive lights do, although aren't they now standard in the US? I guess I will know soon enough.
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      01-10-2008, 01:18 PM   #31
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Absolutely. I'm not even sure what adaptive lights do, although aren't they now standard in the US? I guess I will know soon enough.
Adaptive headlights "steer" into curves, and yes, they are standard in the US. I have them on my ML and they are nice. In addition, at low speeds, an additional corner illumintion light is activated on the side you are turning toward. Adaptive brake lights increase intensity at high braking levels. That feature is also standard.
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Adaptive headlights "steer" into curves, and yes, they are standard in the US. I have them on my ML and they are nice. Adaptive brakelights increase intensity at high braking levels. That feature is also standard.
Although, from looking at the owner's manual, it isn't so much intensity as another section of the taillight lights up.
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Although, from looking at the owner's manual, it isn't so much intensity as another section of the taillight lights up.
Correct, like the 03.5> E46. The net result with more lights illuminated is greater intensity.
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Correct, like the 03.5> E46. The net result with more lights illuminated is greater intensity.
I thought you were talking about the intensity of the already lit light.
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I would get it. My boss has an E60 M5 '08 and has it. I've driven it on several occasions and it is a big difference when you see some twisties up ahead and want to launch it in "M" mode (automatically sets it to its stiffest setting).
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same as. Originally Mr. Stafford there but he moved, my contact is now ian.

I thought their service sucked big time, so I moved my order. Even had to get BMW UK involved to get my deposit back!!
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      01-11-2008, 12:47 AM   #37
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I'm sure you're correct. I'm honestly not sure that anyone but an expert is going to be able to tell whether they are driving with active damping though. I don't doubt the technology is awesome and the EDC is fun to play around with for a bit, but the practical application for 99% of drivers is rather gimmicky.

The power button on the other hand is great.
Have you noticed how the testers have commented on and photographed very minimal body roll for the car? That can be accomplished by making things super stiff passively but then you get other disadvantages. EDC likely contributes to reducing cornering roll movement without the disadvantages. EDC can also work to really take the hard edge hits out of bumps. Again I bet it lessens brake dive as well. What is so gimmicky about having an near infinite number of smoothly varying compression and rebound damping settings on all of the shocks that the EDC system manages for you in real time? Ever want more comfort on bad roads and a stiffer ride for the track, nah not me... Sure it is a clever way for BMW to get more $ from us but I strongly suspect the great slalom speeds and skippad results have been obtained in Normal mode.

EDC is simply another way that the M3 is adjustable, steering, throttle, EDC, M-DCT. It is all quite consistent.
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OT - Trivial Pursuit...since someone above had mentioned adaptive headlights, the answer to this will save some owners from a trip to the service department later. My dealer didn't even know the answer to this question until they reasearched it. No cheating. Why is it normal for adaptive headlights to "work" sometimes and at other times not?
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OT - Trivial Pursuit...since someone above had mentioned adaptive headlights, the answer to this will save some owners from a trip to the service department later. My dealer didn't even know the answer to this question until they reasearched it. No cheating. Why is it normal for adaptive headlights to "work" sometimes and at other times not?

"Adaptive Head Light is a variable headlight control system that optimises the illumination of the road as the car corners. The light cones from the headlights are directed to the suit the road ahead on the basis of steering angle and other parameters.

During sharp turns at speeds of up to approx. 70 km/h or 40 mph, e.g. in hairpin bends or when cornering, a cornering light is added that illuminates the inside area of the bend."

Conclusion: It is speed dependant for the extra illumination. Othrwise they will turn only to variying degree based on the corner.
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Have you noticed how the testers have commented on and photographed very minimal body roll for the car? That can be accomplished by making things super stiff passively but then you get other disadvantages. EDC likely contributes to reducing cornering roll movement without the disadvantages. EDC can also work to really take the hard edge hits out of bumps. Again I bet it lessens brake dive as well. What is so gimmicky about having an near infinite number of smoothly varying compression and rebound damping settings on all of the shocks that the EDC system manages for you in real time? Ever want more comfort on bad roads and a stiffer ride for the track, nah not me... Sure it is a clever way for BMW to get more $ from us but I strongly suspect the great slalom speeds and skippad results have been obtained in Normal mode.

EDC is simply another way that the M3 is adjustable, steering, throttle, EDC, M-DCT. It is all quite consistent.
Swamp, I should backtrack a little here - I didn't appreciate fully what would be lost without EDC besides the multiple damping settings.

I'm not meaning to suggest there is anything wrong with having active suspension. The car's ability to handle so well while providing such comfort is astonishing - certainly unlike anything I've experienced before. The gimmick for me is more multiple settings, with little buttons and lights, the need for which is surely mostly obviated by the fact that the damping is constantly changing in any case.

I guess a proper comparison is required...
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Swamp, I should backtrack a little here - I didn't appreciate fully what would be lost without EDC besides the multiple damping settings.

I'm not meaning to suggest there is anything wrong with having active suspension. The car's ability to handle so well while providing such comfort is astonishing - certainly unlike anything I've experienced before. The gimmick for me is more multiple settings, with little buttons and lights, the need for which is surely mostly obviated by the fact that the damping is constantly changing in any case.

I guess a proper comparison is required...
I can clarify my position as well. I'm confident the car will be damn good with or without EDC and the benefits from EDC are likely not to be enormous - certainly not night and day. However, they are likely to be big enough for me to go with the option sight unseen. Cheers.
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OT - Trivial Pursuit...since someone above had mentioned adaptive headlights, the answer to this will save some owners from a trip to the service department later. My dealer didn't even know the answer to this question until they reasearched it. No cheating. Why is it normal for adaptive headlights to "work" sometimes and at other times not?
Only works whith light switch in Auto position. What's the prize for the correct answer?


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@JerezBlue and southlight...
Background - When I had my new 330i I LOVED the adaptive headlights but noticed sometimes they just didn't work! So, I paid a visit to the service department and explained. They said they would check it out and repair. After several hours the service manager sheepishly admitted it was simple but even they didn't know the answer without research. So congrats southlight , you win a FREE OVEN MIT!! Jerez, nice try :-( you win the consolation prize, a burned piece of toast
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Thanks, but I was hoping for a green watering can.


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