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      01-06-2008, 06:31 PM   #1
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Question No M3 CSL for North America?

See this thread from a respected member (Cosmos) of the M5board. This guy with his stock M6 is getting sub 8:20 at Nordschleife.... I see no reason for us to disbelieve him on BMW not planning for a M3 CSL.

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho....php?p=1220775
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You say someone who claims an M version of the X5 and 6 is coming is respected? He's mental. M won't touch a 7er, you really expect them to touch an X? Not a chance in hell and if they do, BMW and M can go hang. That would be like Porsche making a GT3/RS Cayenne. Pimping out the heritage to chase new, disinterested punters.

As for being told there was no M3 CSL coming by the brand manager for M in the States? Yeah, he's going to tell a potential customer that there's a better version coming in a few years. Yeah, right.
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You say someone who claims an M version of the X5 and 6 is coming is respected? He's mental. M won't touch a 7er, you really expect them to touch an X? Not a chance in hell and if they do, BMW and M can go hang. That would be like Porsche making a GT3/RS Cayenne. Pimping out the heritage to chase new, disinterested punters.
Erm, you better eat your words because BMW is at least planning to build an X6 M.
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Bull. An M-sport version maybe, but they have as much to do with Garching as I do.
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You say someone who claims an M version of the X5 and 6 is coming is respected? He's mental. M won't touch a 7er, you really expect them to touch an X? Not a chance in hell and if they do, BMW and M can go hang. That would be like Porsche making a GT3/RS Cayenne. Pimping out the heritage to chase new, disinterested punters.

As for being told there was no M3 CSL coming by the brand manager for M in the States? Yeah, he's going to tell a potential customer that there's a better version coming in a few years. Yeah, right.
Well, if my friend is right, you might need to change your name from "The CSL" to "X6M"
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Bull. An M-sport version maybe, but they have as much to do with Garching as I do.
You really are an immature pillock. BMW ARE launching a full-on X6 M.

The body-kit is apparently the same one used for the hybrid concept. The engine is likely to be the V10 from the M5/M6, or indeed if it comes, the upgraded M5/M6 engine.

You better get your facts straight.
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Get my facts straight? You don't even have a source to show me? Besides, the spy shots I've just seen of a supposed X5-M could be nothing more than a successor to the X5 4.8is. It also has the front bumper from the X6, so could have been a cooling mule. I'll quite happily eat my words when I see it, for sale. By then, M will be worth nothing, regardless of how good they make it. It's still an SUV.
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Get my facts straight? You don't even have a source to show me? Besides, the spy shots I've just seen of a supposed X5-M could be nothing more than a successor to the X5 4.8is. It also has the front bumper from the X6, so could have been a cooling mule. I'll quite happily eat my words when I see it, for sale. By then, M will be worth nothing, regardless of how good they make it. It's still an SUV.
I didn't say there would be an X5 M. I was talking about an X6 M, which you stated in your post that there wouldn't be.

And yes, there are direct quotes out there (I really cannot be bothered to find them) from the people at the M division, and they say that the X5 isn't a suitable platform for an M product, but in no uncertain terms, that doesn't apply to the X6.
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I didn't say there would be an X5 M. I was talking about an X6 M, which you stated in your post that there wouldn't be.

And yes, there are direct quotes out there (I really cannot be bothered to find them) from the people at the M division, and they say that the X5 isn't a suitable platform for an M product, but in no uncertain terms, that doesn't apply to the X6.
Well, I've found a source from a 2-second Google search that came from a member of M who said an X5-M was at stage 2 of its feasibility research. How does the X6 differ from the X5, being the same chassis with a faux-coupe roof line and pure X5 waistline? Both are as unsuitable for an M version.
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Well, I've found a source from a 2-second Google search that came from a member of M who said an X5-M was at stage 2 of its feasibility research. How does the X6 differ from the X5, being the same chassis with a faux-coupe roof line and pure X5 waistline? Both are as unsuitable for an M version.
The same way the X5 differs from the X6 in standard form.

The X6 is designed to be quite a different driving experience to the X5.
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Whatever, I don't want to see M being whored out like this. If you can live with it, fine. I'll be the first to concede I'm wrong if this does happen.
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Whatever, I don't want to see M being whored out like this. If you can live with it, fine. I'll be the first to concede I'm wrong if this does happen.

I never said I agreed with it. I personally don't think there should even be an M cabriolet of any model.
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Amen to that.
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Back to the issue....no M3 CSL?

If M is working on a X6M, then I can't see them having resources to do a M3 CSL while working on the rumored M10, M9, Z10 etc. or they will working on the F10 M5 / M12 M6

BTW, I don't think they will do anything but M3, M5, M6 (and maybe the M10, M9, M1) for branding.

They will do X6M like they do for the Z4M, so not a complete "whoring" out but kinda like stripping.
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Some believe they have already seen the early model CSL on the 'ring.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82051






As for the M version of an X5 model... we've already seen some spy pics of that as well.
Black: http://www.worldcarfans.com/6070725....5-m-spy-photos



Gray: http://www.worldcarfans.com/9070830....s-new-evidence



More pictures can be found on both sites for the M X5.

*edit* Found one more site with a different picture. http://forums.trucktrend.com/70/6419...ics/index.html
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As for the M version of an X5 model... we've already seen some spy pics of that as well.
Those pictures don't mean anything!

Who says it's for an X5 M? The article on World Car Fans is just speculation.

It could just be testing the 4.4 V8 twin turbo engine in the X5.
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I don't really track the X5 line up. I remember there use to be 3 models with the top of the line being a 4.4 V8. But I also know that the old top engine model was discontinued. So, why would they bring it back under seemingly similar conditions unless it was an M?
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I don't really track the X5 line up. I remember there use to be 3 models with the top of the line being a 4.4 V8. But I also know that the old top engine model was discontinued. So, why would they bring it back under seemingly similar conditions unless it was an M?
The 4.4 V8 twin-turbo is a brand new engine with 400bhp, about to be premiered in the X6.

The key difference is the "twin-turbo".
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Either way, with your knowledge about BMW's plans to build an M X6 I'd say that there is a 50/50 chance that the pictures are accurate. The other 50% being that they are the V8 TT you speak of. I'm just referencing other topics and websites and their content.

Don't shoot the messenger mate.
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The 4.4 V8 twin-turbo is a brand new engine with 400bhp, about to be premiered in the X6.

The key difference is the "twin-turbo".
Take a look at how they set up the turbos on that v8. Outside the box thinking, really amazing design.

An M version of the X5 is probably not as close to reality as an M version of the X6. They will probably test the waters with an X6 first before the X5 as far as an M version for production is concerned.
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I think the question was whether there will be a CSL imported to North America. This we can only hope for, but given our safety regs and low interest in truly track-oriented cars I am pessimistic about them importing it.

As a sidenote, did you see how big those front wheels were on the red CSL? I'm definitely thinking Carbon Ceramic brakes on that puppy.

Please, BMW, BRING IT TO THE USA!
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Bull. An M-sport version maybe, but they have as much to do with Garching as I do.
There is definitely an X6M in the pipeline, as for the X5-M, I don't think it is going to happen.
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