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      12-26-2007, 03:58 PM   #23
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I would not acrgue that the price must be somewhere between the M Coupe and M5 but that tells us squat.
Agreed. It is obvious the M3 will be priced between the M coupe and the M5, but simply saying we'll split the difference and that'll be it for the M3 is weak. They should stick to testing cars rather than guessing pricing unless there is something they heard from an insider that they cannot disclose officially.
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      12-26-2007, 05:02 PM   #24
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+1. Although this car (and even more so the E90 M3) is a classic competitor with the RS4 that logic of the price being close to or based on the RS4 does not really make sense. The RS4 was such a low production volume and this certainky contributed to its relatively high price. Only comming loaded in the US contributed as well.

I would not acrgue that the price must be somewhere between the M Coupe and M5 but that tells us squat.

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      12-26-2007, 07:56 PM   #25
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I want to beleive the fuel economy will be better than the older model, and that means there will not be any gg tax
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      12-26-2007, 08:34 PM   #26
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I want to beleive the fuel economy will be better than the older model, and that means there will not be any gg tax
Best recent evidence and extrapolations tell us it will certainly have a GGT and that it will be about $2k.
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      12-26-2007, 10:47 PM   #27
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Sounds like the 335i boys need Procede 5.0 to beat the 0-60 times.
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      12-26-2007, 11:47 PM   #28
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it will probably be like 58-60K, since the M coupe is the entry model M at 50-51k i dout they will place the M3 at 55Kish but it wont be ridiculously high.
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Sounds like the 335i boys need Procede 5.0 to beat the 0-60 times.
Yeah, I heard with v5.0 you only need 150 octane gas, three intercoolers, and then you can run 0-60 in 3 seconds. That is if you dont mind going into limp mode five times a day.

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Sounds like the 335i boys need Procede 5.0 to beat the 0-60 times.
Actually they already got 0-60 in 3.9 seconds with PROcede V2 and sticky tires.
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Sounds like the 335i boys need Procede 5.0 to beat the 0-60 times.
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Actually they already got 0-60 in 3.9 seconds with PROcede V2 and sticky tires.
Please, not another M3 vs. 335i discussion...


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4.1s R&T 0-60 seems too low

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0-60 in 4.1s & 0-100 in 9.4s are barely believable. These numbers are in the 997 GT3's territory... and we've seen in a previous thread the GT3 smokes the M3.
That's my thought too. From swamp's and south's data list on 0-60mph, 0-100k 4.1 seems an outlier:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=70737&page=11
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      12-27-2007, 06:56 PM   #33
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Please, not another M3 vs. 335i discussion...


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hahaha

Can't we have a little fun? Harmless fun, trying to elicit some response from procede crowd.

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+1. Although this car (and even more so the E90 M3) is a classic competitor with the RS4 that logic of the price being close to or based on the RS4 does not really make sense. The RS4 was such a low production volume and this certainky contributed to its relatively high price.
But doesn't the RS4 has a smaller demand than M3? If the supply of M3 is met with greater demand it can cause the price point approach RS4 territory. Pure speculation on my part.
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      12-27-2007, 07:49 PM   #34
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Those numbers are really impressive.... Why do these guys get consistently better numbers than other rags?

Also, they don't seem to jive with some of the (few) videos that we have seen of the M3 in action.
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      12-27-2007, 08:41 PM   #35
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Those numbers are really impressive.... Why do these guys get consistently better numbers than other rags?
Like I screwed up in my recent post, it seems to me it is C&D that typically gets the best numbers.
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      12-27-2007, 09:26 PM   #36
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Those numbers are really impressive.... Why do these guys get consistently better numbers than other rags?

Also, they don't seem to jive with some of the (few) videos that we have seen of the M3 in action.
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      12-27-2007, 11:55 PM   #37
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Like I screwed up in my recent post, it seems to me it is C&D that typically gets the best numbers.

I honestly think the car companies give ringers to rags for reviews. We have some good drivers on this board and other boards, rarely do we see anything match between dragtimes and magazine reviews.
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      12-28-2007, 12:24 AM   #38
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I honestly think the car companies give ringers to rags for reviews. We have some good drivers on this board and other boards, rarely do we see anything match between dragtimes and magazine reviews.
No, I really do think the magazine testers are as good as it gets outside of professional race car drivers and then the guys who test drive for BMW/Prosche/etc. If you put 99.995% of the drivers on any car enthusiast forum up against a magazine tester in any measured test, the magazine guy would win. It is, after all, what they do professionally for a living.
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      12-28-2007, 12:27 AM   #39
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Also, don't forget that the "rare" time that you do see something that approaches or equals the magazine time compared to "all of the other" times that are disappointments due to poor launch, traction, missed gear, etc; all of that business happens when the magazines are testing, too. They just report the one VERY best time they achieved after multiple instances of testing the car and having figured out everything just right for that *best run.*
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      12-28-2007, 12:52 AM   #40
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No, I really do think the magazine testers are as good as it gets outside of professional race car drivers and then the guys who test drive for BMW/Prosche/etc. If you put 99.995% of the drivers on any car enthusiast forum up against a magazine tester in any measured test, the magazine guy would win. It is, after all, what they do professionally for a living.

I realize we are rat-holing into a Batman vs. Superman discussion but dragtimes represents thousands of enthusiasts and they post their best run of the day. I have not seen a stock M5 hit the E/T & Trap Speeds that R&T hit......

I don't think we will see a new STOCK 6MT M3 in the mid 12's at 115 mph on drag times (maybe at ATCO )
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      12-28-2007, 01:11 AM   #41
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Considering the M3's acceleration times basically match a 3200 lb, 415 HP GT3 RS (1/4 mile in 12.1 @ 115 MPH) even though the GT3 has better traction and 10% better power to weight makes you wonder if the M3 is making a bit more than 415 HP or if its somewhat shorter gearing was enough to make up the difference.

Being a 335i guy, so far on street tires with Procede, LSD, intake and exhaust running on 100 octane a 335i coupe has managed to hit 114.8 MPH in the 1/4 mile. That car was making 407 WHEEL HP, so like I said, the M3 is putting down some serious power to hit that trap speed.

NICE! Will be even quicker with the shorter gearing allowed by 7-speed DCT!
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      12-28-2007, 01:22 AM   #42
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I do agree that most magazine guys are probably a lot better at launching and draging (heck even general sporty driving) than most internet enthusiast forum members. Heck they simply get to beat nice cars, that aren't theirs, to death. I'd get better at draging if I had that luxury as well. At the same time the hundreds (maybe thousands) of pretty good folks hitting the strips and posting g-tech, etc. numbers should definitely represent enough statistics and talent to match the best mag numbers. I do not doubt for a bit that companies still give sleepers to the mags. Like I said previously, this is likely some combination of car, driver, sleeper/under-rating, great surface, etc. that we really will never be able to fully explain. I do still contend that the average reported figures are consistent with the stated weight/hp/gearing.
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I think R&T adjusts their actual achieved numbers for temperature, altitude and maybe some other factors. A lot of rags do this. They run every car's numbers thru a formula so that every car is tested under "equal" conditions (yeah right)

Also, their test driver is known for being very hard on cars. There may not have been much left of that M3's clutch or tires....

You just can't buy a car because of the test numbers one of the rags puts down. But the numbers are fun for bench racing!
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^^^

Won't it be nice to just be able to buy the cars, drive them, and then post about our driving experiences???

BMWNA is sure putting the screws to us.
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