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      12-24-2007, 03:44 AM   #45
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The funny thing in my opinion was not the COCK-O-METER but the way Clarkie dressed for driving the M3, it maybe a British thing this but over here it is SO true.

I commented on this in the other TopGear thread but does anyone feel the seem way as I do, that the RS4 put up a better show than the C63 which looked clumsy in comparison to the RS4 and totally uncontrollable next to the M3.

I think Richard summed it up well when he said that the RS4 with it's AWD system made sense after the RWD madness of the other two on the track, it give the driver security and confidence. Though it was still beaten easily by the completeness that was the M3.
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What color is that on the M3? Space Grey or Sparkling Graphite?
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      12-24-2007, 05:36 AM   #47
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The funny thing in my opinion was not the COCK-O-METER but the way Clarkie dressed for driving the M3, it maybe a British thing this but over here it is SO true.

I commented on this in the other TopGear thread but does anyone feel the seem way as I do, that the RS4 put up a better show than the C63 which looked clumsy in comparison to the RS4 and totally uncontrollable next to the M3.

I think Richard summed it up well when he said that the RS4 with it's AWD system made sense after the RWD madness of the other two on the track, it give the driver security and confidence. Though it was still beaten easily by the completeness that was the M3.
Hahah, I dont think it's a british thing. A lot of ppl here with the bt headset and sunglasses are business types.
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What color is that on the M3? Space Grey or Sparkling Graphite?
graphite i think
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Definetly space grey


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However, steering boost, steering precision, steering feel and steering ratio are absolutely not synonymous.
Yes, I have a feeling these are being mixed up in many people's minds. Actually, that must be the case or how else would you explain the "general" steering criticism in light of the reported--not just by Top Gear--stellar steering precision?
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The C63 looked awful in those turns. Very unbalanced.
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Simply amazing!!!! Thanks for posting. I feel like going out and buying a bag of apples to have fun with!!!! Wait a minute....oh yeah....we don't even have a price yet.
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amazing. the apple test was awesome. and the stig in the pool with his helmet on was hilarious!!
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Definetly space grey
Agree.
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Definetly space grey
+1 Yep, SG - looked great
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The C63 looked awful in those turns. Very unbalanced.
I think a lot of noob drivers will get into a lot of trouble w/ that car. Clarkson was being a bit of a tosser in plumping for it emotionally because of the 6.2L brute up front = brutish behaviour
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The funny thing in my opinion was not the COCK-O-METER but the way Clarkie dressed for driving the M3, it maybe a British thing this but over here it is SO true.

I commented on this in the other TopGear thread but does anyone feel the seem way as I do, that the RS4 put up a better show than the C63 which looked clumsy in comparison to the RS4 and totally uncontrollable next to the M3.

I think Richard summed it up well when he said that the RS4 with it's AWD system made sense after the RWD madness of the other two on the track, it give the driver security and confidence. Though it was still beaten easily by the completeness that was the M3.
Those glasses and the blue tooth earpiece is so typical here in the U.S. as well. I'm so impressed with the M3 and the fact the Clarkson called it a masterpiece says a lot about the car.
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Congrats BMW.....

Heres to 5+ seconds smashing of the C63 / RS4

I hope some of the guys over on 335i side of the board watches and reads this thread. The M3 is not just about power alone...any body can slap can eek out HP from a turbo motor and some can even bolt on coilovers.....

It is about car balance and handling as tuned by the best tuners in the world.....M gmbh.

That track time is so telling.....
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Congrats BMW.....

Heres to 5+ seconds smashing of the C63 / RS4

I hope some of the guys over on 335i side of the board watches and reads this thread. The M3 is not just about power alone...any body can slap can eek out HP from a turbo motor and some can even bolt on coilovers.....

It is about car balance and handling as tuned by the best tuners in the world.....M gmbh.

That track time is so telling.....

Typically BMW M driver response.. Look at the track time.. Clarkson would say track time my ass as he passes you on the street.. Maybe 1 out of ever 100 M cars will ever make it to the track, I know my M made it to the track but sat in the parking lot..

But I would still pick the M over the other two the C class is just ugly and the audi is slow.
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+1. Just finished watching. The apple part was one of my favorites as well. Absolutely classic AMG vs M. It is odd though given how much we have all read about the incredible improvements to the AMGs steering and handling that these guys ragged it so badly. I am not suprised much by the M3 having the most precise steering. As far as I can tell not having driven it, it has a bit of a new feel and a bit more boost as well probably more isolation of NVH and a much tighter ratio. However, steering boost, steering precision, steering feel and steering ratio are absolutely not synonymous. Folks are simply accepting the change for what it is and what it delivers.

A very nice and convincing victory for the M3. DCT will widen the margin as well and narrow it on straight line contests vs. the AMG.

This one is for you ruff, since I am such a "terrible BMW fanboy".




P.S. You need xvid codec for the avi with WMP.
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Trust me having paddles at first is a ton of fun but you lose a lot of the driving experience. After 2 years of ownership you will wish you got the 6 speed, I know I did. Then on the 3rd year you get troubles of the system, my SMG system crap out and needed service every 4-6 months after the 2 1/2 year.
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Excuse my ignorance but what does cock o meter measure? Was it the cocky level of the driver? I know it was a joke but im just curious.
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Typically BMW M driver response.. Look at the track time.. Clarkson would say track time my ass as he passes you on the street.. Maybe 1 out of ever 100 M cars will ever make it to the track, I know my M made it to the track but sat in the parking lot..

But I would still pick the M over the other two the C class is just ugly and the audi is slow.
typical non-M driver response. maybe not everyone is like you. next time you own an M (hopefully never) go ahead and keep it in the parking lot. that's where it belongs
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Trust me having paddles at first is a ton of fun but you lose a lot of the driving experience. After 2 years of ownership you will wish you got the 6 speed, I know I did.
This kind of mid-term fall-out is a concern of mine as well.

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Then on the 3rd year you get troubles of the system, my SMG system crap out and needed service every 4-6 months after the 2 1/2 year.
What generation SMG did you have?
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Typically BMW M driver response.. Look at the track time.. Clarkson would say track time my ass as he passes you on the street.. Maybe 1 out of ever 100 M cars will ever make it to the track, I know my M made it to the track but sat in the parking lot..

But I would still pick the M over the other two the C class is just ugly and the audi is slow.

Wow..... Clarkson's cock-o-meter has you pegged perfectly!

Come up to Toronto and I will show you what an M can do on a racetrack while you sip on your latte chatting on your bluetooth headset.
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typical non-M driver response. maybe not everyone is like you. next time you own an M (hopefully never) go ahead and keep it in the parking lot. that's where it belongs

What a waste of a M car.... I have never even met a M car owner who won't at least lie to say that he has made it out on the racetrack.
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Wow..... Clarkson's cock-o-meter has you pegged perfectly!

Come up to Toronto and I will show you what an M can do on a racetrack while you sip on your latte chatting on your bluetooth headset.
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