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      12-27-2007, 04:09 PM   #45
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Goodbye reliability...... GM tried doing a S/C on the LS7 for the ZR1. All of the prototypes blew up. Cylinder walls are way too thin for forced induction.
maybe they could try to redesign the whole block. They have the money for it.. since it is going to be about 100K. Maybe they should try to increase the ltr side. I guess GM is too cheap to do some. I guess having supercharger is cost effective for gm since supercharge is cost way less than having some engineering to redesign it and r & D time.
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      12-27-2007, 05:30 PM   #46
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OH MAN! I wish GM brought this baby into Australia as a HSV badged car.
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      12-27-2007, 06:04 PM   #47
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I am getting this car but have a few complaints...The INTERIOR......The interior is hardly different from the Z06....I would atleast expect GM to step up and put some nicer seats and a nicer steering wheel in their flagship "supercar" corvette....Another thing that disappointed me was seeing that the engine was not naturally aspirated.
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* looks at what the complainers of it being S/C'd drive. Is it because it breaks the tradition of the Corvette? Or is it because there is no R&D in just slapping a S/C on it?

It is a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. People complain that the domestics depend on displacement for HP or complain that they need forced induction. They had to do either to get the HP they wanted without making the ZR1 $200K+.
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      12-27-2007, 10:45 PM   #49
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Ferrari can get HP out of their NA 6.0liter V12 why cant GM.....I don't know whats worse throwing a V12 in a vette or Supercharging it......I guess its best that they threw a supercharger on it....Either way i rather have a high revving V8
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Ferrari can get HP out of their NA 6.0liter V12 why cant GM.....I don't know whats worse throwing a V12 in a vette or Supercharging it......I guess its best that they threw a supercharger on it....Either way i rather have a high revving V8
Two word for ya. COst Effective.
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not bad, not bad at all. i fear you can do better than that for that sticker price though. and the starving chevy dealers will probably put a $20k mark-up on it too.
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Ferrari can get HP out of their NA 6.0liter V12 why cant GM.....I don't know whats worse throwing a V12 in a vette or Supercharging it......I guess its best that they threw a supercharger on it....Either way i rather have a high revving V8
How much does the Ferrari cost? How much does the ZR1 cost*? I am sure given the budget Ferrari has to develop an engine, GM could do a similar stunt. There is also the point of the LS series being OHV vs DOHC. Where DOHC can breath better. According to R&T, GM did think of boring it out to 8.3 liters, but thought it was too big for a Small Block and you would have the displacement whiners. GM can't win. BMW is using forced induction and I don't see anyone complaining......
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good looking car.........too bad it's made in Detroit.
Actually it's made in Bowling Green, Kentucky - not that it matters
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How much does the Ferrari cost? How much does the ZR1 cost*? I am sure given the budget Ferrari has to develop an engine, GM could do a similar stunt. There is also the point of the LS series being OHV vs DOHC. Where DOHC can breath better. According to R&T, GM did think of boring it out to 8.3 liters, but thought it was too big for a Small Block and you would have the displacement whiners. GM can't win. BMW is using forced induction and I don't see anyone complaining......
very true but BMW isn't aiming to be a supercar. BMW is looking to get more power out of their cars while keeping driveabilty and fuel economy. GM is thinking POWER POWER POWER and the easiest way to get there was to throw a blower on it. Im not bashing this car because ill probably be one of the first ones to get it but i certainly wish they changed some things about it.
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very true but BMW isn't aiming to be a supercar. BMW is looking to get more power out of their cars while keeping driveabilty and fuel economy. GM is thinking POWER POWER POWER and the easiest way to get there was to throw a blower on it. Im not bashing this car because ill probably be one of the first ones to get it but i certainly wish they changed some things about it.

A broad torque range = drivable.

The LS9 like all other LS based engines is more a complete package than many other exotics.
-Its light weight
-It has plenty of torque
-Plenty of power
-Easy to manufacture
-Easy to maintain
-Fuel efficient (passes the gas guzzler tax unlike many exotics)
-Strong after market support
-and has an excellent packaging

What it doesnt have compared to its exotic competitors are
-High RPM
-Low displacement
-F1 sounding engine
-and technology related acronyms
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Im not sure about that one ...

The GTR is dynoing some huge numbers showing it greatly underated and its 1/4 times and 0-60 isnt that much off Carnage's est of this car.
Dyno readings isnt very accurate, especially hub dynos like those used on the GTR. What has people baffled is the dyno readings as compared to the 1/4 mile trap speed. A trap speed of 120 doesn't indicate any power under rating. the current ZO6 mainly trap 127-130.
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-Fuel efficient (passes the gas guzzler tax unlike many exotics)
With the new EPA testing, the ZR1 will get stuck with the gas guzzler tax. I think the Z06 now has it as well due to the new standards. But, Corvettes have been typically more fuel efficient then Ferrari's, Lambo's, etc with Porsche being the only ones really that could match the 'Vette.
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