M3 vs. STi

[Scoobe]

Originally Posted by amgeater

buddy I can well afford the m3 OK lets get that real clear the 335 is my toy and if I would of bought the M3 it would been as well. thank god money its not a problem so you are barking at the wrong tree here. next time check your self and my S55 amg (daily driver) modded will probably beat your M3 as well.

Oh great, another "I prefer the 335i to the M3 cause it's faster" bit. It's the same bit time and time again on this board. "My modded 335i will beat your M3 blah blah". You can say that about ANY car. Stock vs. Stock there is no contest. Lets also add in EDC? You have a mod that changes your dampening on the fly? Steptronic vs. MDCT? Have a DCT mod? How about a progammable button that sets all that up instantly? 335i has 20% in common with an M3. So buyers have a choice, mod the piss out of a 335i that might end up costing close the same as buying a new stock M3 and void your warranty, or just buy the M3 and enjoy the performance off the lot. If I was going to buy a coupe to mod, it damn sure wouldn't be a 335i. I'd get a 30k Mustang GT 5.0 which off the lot has the same performance as an M3 and for chump change pump out 550hp and still below budget of a stock 335i.

And if I seem a bit testy in the post it's because you are the 109,234,092,384,934 335i guy to come on here and talk crap about his modded 335i. Which says one of two things, you are self concious about your decision to buy a 335i instead of the M3 and thus must come on M3 boards to boast your modifed creation in order nourish an inferiority complex, or you are a turbo lover and believe a naturaly asperated V8 to be more novelty than function. Both exude ignorance. Sorry to be crude and abrasive but 90% of the M3 owners on this board that read your post will automatically think this.

[SUB-ZERO]

Originally Posted by amgeater

buddy I can well afford the m3 OK lets get that real clear the 335 is my toy and if I would of bought the M3 it would been as well. thank god money its not a problem so you are barking at the wrong tree here. next time check your self and my S55 amg (daily driver) modded will probably beat your M3 as well.

Tool

[cole328]

Originally Posted by Scoobe

Oh great, another "I prefer the 335i to the M3 cause it's faster" bit. It's the same bit time and time again on this board. "My modded 335i will beat your M3 blah blah". You can say that about ANY car. Stock vs. Stock there is no contest. Lets also add in EDC? You have a mod that changes your dampening on the fly? Steptronic vs. MDCT? Have a DCT mod? How about a progammable button that sets all that up instantly? 335i has 20% in common with an M3. So buyers have a choice, mod the piss out of a 335i that might end up costing close the same as buying a new stock M3 and void your warranty, or just buy the M3 and enjoy the performance off the lot. If I was going to buy a coupe to mod, it damn sure wouldn't be a 335i. I'd get a 30k Mustang GT 5.0 which off the lot has the same performance as an M3 and for chump change pump out 550hp and still below budget of a stock 335i.

And if I seem a bit testy in the post it's because you are the 109,234,092,384,934 335i guy to come on here and talk crap about his modded 335i. Which says one of two things, you are self concious about your decision to buy a 335i instead of the M3 and thus must come on M3 boards to boast your modifed creation in order nourish an inferiority complex, or you are a turbo lover and believe a naturaly asperated V8 to be more novelty than function. Both exude ignorance. Sorry to be crude and abrasive but 90% of the M3 owners on this board that read your post will automatically think this.

+100%....you also left out the fact that a high percentage of the same "guy" as above likely don't even own the cars they purport to own.

Besides, what's the point of reading an M3 board if you don't even own one?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go sign up for the www.bigpigS55.com board

[amgeater]

Originally Posted by cole328

+100%....you also left out the fact that a high percentage of the same "guy" as above likely don't even own the cars they purport to own.

Besides, what's the point of reading an M3 board if you don't even own one?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go sign up for the www.bigpigS55.com board

You know you sure talk lots of crap. I stay in hallandale beach I will pm you my address right now since you live here in SoFlo, and show you both cars in person if you wish, but then you will owe me an apology in person and in the forum and we get to run the bigpigs55 but if I beat you from a roll 40 to 110 I will get to post that on the forum. I am not going to seat here and act like something a I am not. Now in regards to the NA motor. no I am not a fan of the E92 v8 motor at all, and I do preferred turbo or supercharged engines I have one of each right now. We have different opinions about the cars it's clear as water. But let's respect each other. Close my case.... with you...

[amgeater]

Originally Posted by Scoobe

Oh great, another "I prefer the 335i to the M3 cause it's faster" bit. It's the same bit time and time again on this board. "My modded 335i will beat your M3 blah blah". You can say that about ANY car. Stock vs. Stock there is no contest. Lets also add in EDC? You have a mod that changes your dampening on the fly? Steptronic vs. MDCT? Have a DCT mod? How about a progammable button that sets all that up instantly? 335i has 20% in common with an M3. So buyers have a choice, mod the piss out of a 335i that might end up costing close the same as buying a new stock M3 and void your warranty, or just buy the M3 and enjoy the performance off the lot. If I was going to buy a coupe to mod, it damn sure wouldn't be a 335i. I'd get a 30k Mustang GT 5.0 which off the lot has the same performance as an M3 and for chump change pump out 550hp and still below budget of a stock 335i.

And if I seem a bit testy in the post it's because you are the 109,234,092,384,934 335i guy to come on here and talk crap about his modded 335i. Which says one of two things, you are self concious about your decision to buy a 335i instead of the M3 and thus must come on M3 boards to boast your modifed creation in order nourish an inferiority complex, or you are a turbo lover and believe a naturaly asperated V8 to be more novelty than function. Both exude ignorance. Sorry to be crude and abrasive but 90% of the M3 owners on this board that read your post will automatically think this.

First the EDC yes its an awesome feature on the car, now remember that you dont have to spend tons of money to on a 335 to make faster than an M3 as a matter of fact I spend may be 2500.00 and save my self 30000+ vs the price of the m3 so your point there is not even close. I know you CANT compare the 2 stock to stock but I bought the car as a toy not a daily driver so I did the math I want more power when time comes around and the M3 will get VERY VERY costly to get in the 500hp, the 335 wont. and NO ever in hell I will buy a Mustang I stick to German cars.. and again guys dont get me wrong as I wrote before I almost bought an M3 when I was on the market but the n54 engine made me choose the 335 do the extend of the mods that you can do to get the car to the 500+ hp later in the future. my point is that in my particular case I want it to mod the car and have the BMW experience and the M3 was not going to do so unless I spend 15K+or more to get it to the HP that I want in the future. now if I was looking at the time for something fast and ready to go that I WAS not planing on heavily modding for sure I would of bought the m3. but that was not the case...

[powertrip]

I don't agree with you on the money factor in modding an M3. Cut the primary cats, install a pulley, drop-in filter, and throw in an OE tune and you'll be knocking the door off of 500bhp. Cost? Probably around $1600 bucks for a gain of 50-60whp.

I certainly wouldn't call this route expensive .

Originally Posted by amgeater

First the EDC yes its an awesome feature on the car, now remember that you dont have to spend tons of money to on a 335 to make faster than an M3 as a matter of fact I spend may be 2500.00 and save my self 30000+ vs the price of the m3 so your point there is not even close. I know you CANT compare the 2 stock to stock but I bought the car as a toy not a daily driver so I did the math I want more power when time comes around and the M3 will get VERY VERY costly to get in the 500hp, the 335 wont. and NO ever in hell I will buy a Mustang I stick to German cars.. and again guys dont get me wrong as I wrote before I almost bought an M3 when I was on the market but the n54 engine made me choose the 335 do the extend of the mods that you can do to get the car to the 500+ hp later in the future. my point is that in my particular case I want it to mod the car and have the BMW experience and the M3 was not going to do so unless I spend 15K+or more to get it to the HP that I want in the future. now if I was looking at the time for something fast and ready to go that I WAS not planing on heavily modding for sure I would of bought the m3. but that was not the case...

[jdgamble]

Originally Posted by amgeater

First the EDC yes its an awesome feature on the car, now remember that you dont have to spend tons of money to on a 335 to make faster than an M3 as a matter of fact I spend may be 2500.00 and save my self 30000+ vs the price of the m3 so your point there is not even close. I know you CANT compare the 2 stock to stock but I bought the car as a toy not a daily driver so I did the math I want more power when time comes around and the M3 will get VERY VERY costly to get in the 500hp, the 335 wont. and NO ever in hell I will buy a Mustang I stick to German cars.. and again guys dont get me wrong as I wrote before I almost bought an M3 when I was on the market but the n54 engine made me choose the 335 do the extend of the mods that you can do to get the car to the 500+ hp later in the future. my point is that in my particular case I want it to mod the car and have the BMW experience and the M3 was not going to do so unless I spend 15K+or more to get it to the HP that I want in the future. now if I was looking at the time for something fast and ready to go that I WAS not planing on heavily modding for sure I would of bought the m3. but that was not the case...

Let me see here... a 335 and an S55, yet your post is written at about a 5th grade level. I tried to count your grammar and spelling errors, but I gave up about half way through. Have you considered learning English? And what's with the emphasis on WAS at the end of your post... why that word?

But I digress... 500+ hp in a 335? You're out of your frickin mind! You would need about 40 psi to accomplish that... which would probably destroy the engine in about 10K hard miles.

[amgeater]

Originally Posted by jdgamble

Let me see here... a 335 and an S55, yet your post is written at about a 5th grade level. I tried to count your grammar and spelling errors, but I gave up about half way through. Have you considered learning English? And what's with the emphasis on WAS at the end of your post... why that word?

But I digress... 500+ hp in a 335? You're out of your frickin mind! You would need about 40 psi to accomplish that... which would probably destroy the engine in about 10K hard miles.

Yes you are right about my grammar and English it's my second language, and you have no clue in regards to turbo engines. 40 psi lol you are so clueless

[JDM3]

OMG, here we go again with the 335 vs M3!

[technik330]

The AR Design's Single Turbo 335 is making 485whp.

There's a good amount of info on it, in the F/I Section on e90post.

Regardless of power output, styling, modifications, etc; a 335 will never be an ///M car.

I love both the 335 and M3, they're just two different cars.

[brava09]

Guys, this is a Subaru STI vs M3 thread, remember? What's the point of 335i talk here?

[technik330]

^

I already added some STi vs M3 info... as I own an '07 STi.

A little action never hurt anyone

[jdgamble]

Originally Posted by amgeater

Yes you are right about my grammar and English it's my second language, and you have no clue in regards to turbo engines. 40 psi lol you are so clueless

Sorry for picking on your English then... and my mistake on the 40psi... I was exaggerating. I just realized the 335 makes 8.5 psi stock (I thought I read 15 somewhere), so figure about 20 for 500hp. Either way, that's a huge boost increase for the stock internal components. Driven hard on a regular basis, the engine won't last.

[grendelrt]

And my 20 yr old 300zx TT with bolt ons will eat your 335i (and prob my M3). Who gives a shit, any car modded can beat another car. I still have the Z, sold my Evo X, and I drive my M3 daily because its 100x the car as the others. You are under the mentality of FAST = Better, which isnt true, most people realize this after growing up. My best friend drives a 335i and lusts over my M3 and plans on getting one next.

Originally Posted by amgeater

First the EDC yes its an awesome feature on the car, now remember that you dont have to spend tons of money to on a 335 to make faster than an M3 as a matter of fact I spend may be 2500.00 and save my self 30000+ vs the price of the m3 so your point there is not even close. I know you CANT compare the 2 stock to stock but I bought the car as a toy not a daily driver so I did the math I want more power when time comes around and the M3 will get VERY VERY costly to get in the 500hp, the 335 wont. and NO ever in hell I will buy a Mustang I stick to German cars.. and again guys dont get me wrong as I wrote before I almost bought an M3 when I was on the market but the n54 engine made me choose the 335 do the extend of the mods that you can do to get the car to the 500+ hp later in the future. my point is that in my particular case I want it to mod the car and have the BMW experience and the M3 was not going to do so unless I spend 15K+or more to get it to the HP that I want in the future. now if I was looking at the time for something fast and ready to go that I WAS not planing on heavily modding for sure I would of bought the m3. but that was not the case...

[///FCB]

hi guys, ive been out of the forum for a while so im kinda late on all the talk. i own a e92 m3 stock and evo9 modded at about 400 whp. i absolutely LOVE both of them so I am in no way favoring any side.

let me just say: modded evo is faster and easier to drive fast, m3, modded or not, is better in everything else.

the evo is crazy fun, but except for performance, there is nothing else where can compare these two. m3 is simply better in every other way.

personally the sti is slightly below an evo, so that should say it all.

[turb0mik3]

You Mofos need to...


We all have BMWs...................

[E92oneday]

Originally Posted by Intheworks

M3= luxuryAND performance
STI= performance

Best comment so far!

[SunnyD]

Does 6speedonline have this problem between 997TT and GT3 owners? Just cuz the 997TT is faster than a GT3 in a straight line doesn't mean its a better car

[M3AN M3]

Originally Posted by amgeater

buddy I can well afford the m3 OK lets get that real clear the 335 is my toy and if I would of bought the M3 it would been as well. thank god money its not a problem so you are barking at the wrong tree here. next time check your self and my S55 amg (daily driver) modded will probably beat your M3 as well.

You have 2 much money,, please sponsor me and buy me a M3

[Hawk Lax]

Originally Posted by M3LOL

My kind of man, to me handling is the #1 performance factor i consider. STi's handle very well (while they do need the slightest bit of help from the factory). When I compare the m3 to the subie in the corers, the bottom line is the subie has more mechanical grip. The awd system allows you to put the power down at any point, and when driven correctly is neutral for the most part. Now when you talk about chassis dynamics? As in understeer/oversteer and being able to intentionally induce these things, the m3 would have to take that. This in large part has to do with the rwd chassis, (a good one at that). But in my humble opinion, the m3 just has this "fat" feeling it can never shake.

You obviously don't know much about car handling. To be truly fast on a track you need the ability to rotate the car and drive it at an optimal slip angle through the corners. The ability to do just that in the m3 is its handling advantage. Any "fat" feeling that you noticed is probably due to the power assist to the steering.

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by Hawk Lax

You obviously don't know much about car handling. To be truly fast on a track you need the ability to rotate the car and drive it at an optimal slip angle through the corners. The ability to do just that in the m3 is its handling advantage. Any "fat" feeling that you noticed is probably due to the power assist to the steering.

No offense intended here, but the M3 feels fat to me as well - because it is.

Any handling advantage the M3 has is when you compare it to its direct competition.

In the greater scheme of things, it's a good handler, but simply not a great handler. It's far too big and heavy for that, and of course that shows up in a track environment - along with that weakness in the brakes.

Look, it's terrific. Just not omnipotent.

An aside:

"Car" magazine just did a comparison test between the hottest M3 against the C63, IS-F and RS5. They of course loved the M3, also loved the C63, thought the IS-F was a great effort tempered by that glaring ride flaw - and absolutely trashed the RS5.

M3 was the best handler in that crowd, of course. But my point is that there are better handling cars available. Period.

[kaykay]

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