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04-29-2012, 10:02 PM | #1 |
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NT01/R888/PSC Street Mileage?
I'm debating between getting a second set of wheels/tires for the track or putting a mild r comp like the three I mentioned and leaving them on street and track. I've driven these tires on track and know what kind of life to expect there, but how bad will street mileage be compared to a extreme perfomance street tire?
Frankly the PS2's get eaten up so quick at the track that it might be a wash mileage-wise depending on how much tracking I do. I have a second car for driving in crappy weather or long road trips etc., so I wouldn't necessarily drive a ton of street miles if I had r comps on there. Experiences? |
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My set-up: DD and wet track: 255/35 275/35 PSS on 19" OEM 220M Dry track: 275/35 square NT01 on 18"x10" Enkei NT03 Last edited by CanAutM3; 04-30-2012 at 09:36 AM.. |
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Yeah I know there will be some draw backs, I just mainly wonder about the mileage on the street. I know sport cups aren't that bad ride/noise from riding in some 997 GT3s on the street, and the NT01s won't fit my 19's anyway. Dunno about water resistance, my guess is they aren't so good.
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I think the RA1's might be a better choice. I think they come with a deeper tread pattern new than the NT01. I'm not sure why people don't like them in the wet, they're a great wet tire. They're not a good puddle tire, but a good wet tire.
PSC's are decent on the street, but really expensive compared to the Toyo/Nitto. PSC's are pretty hard to get up to temp too, but I think they'd offer the most grip at temp. They also need a ton of negative camber to keep the sidewalls from wearing...I recall 5 degrees...it's on Michelin's website. R888's are pretty sensitive to heat cycling and they're noisey and harsh especially after a track day or two. My vote would be RA1's if you can find them in your size.
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Thanks, that's the feedback I was looking for. I wouldn't expect that kind of mileage and track life out of the tires on a 420hp 3600lb M3, but obviously the overall life of the tires wouldn't decrease much-my PS2's basically melted in 2 hard track days so the extra street life doesn't do so much for me.
I may go for R888 if I do the dual purpose tire route, the NT01 would be my pick but they don't make 19's. And PSC's are more expensive. |
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Here's how I rate NT01/R888/PSC, it's all my personal experience though:
- Streets (overall) PSC > R888 > NT01 - Track, dry NT01 > R888 = PSC - Track, wet PSC > R888 > NT01 - handling, tire feedback, fun NT01 > PSC > R888 - Longevity of track use R888 > PSC > NT01 - Size availability R888 > NT01 > PSC |
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I'll check out sizes, I bet my oem 19s are going to screw me with tire selection. |
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The feedback of high speed cornering part isn't as clear as NT01. Even it's still grip at certain high speed, but the tire doesn't really tell me how far I can push. I have to try a bit more in a time. PSC is similar at this part as well. |
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I suppose it depends on your goals...OP's talking about driving these to and from the track. We all agree that the RA1/NT01 compound is good because it takes heat cycle abuse and we all agree NT01's doing work well in the rain. The RA1 full tread is a popular tire choice for wet.
The RA1 has some history of blistering and chunking at full tread on dry tracks...probably worse with a 3800 lb chassis to carry with little help from alignment.
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Ever considered Corsas? They wear a bit quickly but seem to be a well-balanced tire based on the reviews I have seen. Not cheap but another option.
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I was leaning toward R888 but I know 295/265 will really be a stretch (literally) on OEM 19's. I guess I could run 265/235 or 265 square, but I'd hate to downsize up front. I've ran stretched tires before and it is pretty obvious that handling suffers. It's a shame they don't make the R888 in more 19 sizes, but can't complain since the other mfgs don't even make 19's. |
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http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/pr...petition-tires
Are you talking 18" for the 235/265? A 295 is best on a 10.5" rim, 265 is best on a 9.5" rim. There's no stretching, the opposite actually. You certainly don't want to bulge a R888 or you'll get the "groove of doom"! Might want to consider the I run mine like this: 17x9.5 255/40 17x8 235/40 The fronts I run -3.3° camber, rear -1.8° This is all on my Mcoupe
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http://www.ground-control-store.com/.../II=886/CA=165 However, you will not be able to install them without going through an alignment . |
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The Dinan fixed plates might work for my purpose, that would put me at -2.2 or so. And may be able to get away with installing them myself since they're fixed anyway.
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