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10-17-2009, 03:29 PM | #46 |
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You are right on the money. There wasn't a BMW dealer willing to give me what I needed on the trade for my M but the Caddy dealer stepped up. Your opinions are very much apprecicated and I thank you for them. As indicated I am only 40 and the V is simply a very viable option to move to a very capable and fast 4 door. I simply couldn't find a great deal on a 4 door M3 with DCT or I probably would have seriously considered it. As far as the question on the 335 I did have one of those as well aroind 2 years ago and I am now in the M3. Thanks again and have fun no matter what your driving.
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Good luck on the RS5, I love the audi styling... but I just love 'drifting' around corners too much... I think it will be great to hear the OP's reviews in 60 days or so... no doubt the CTS-V is a solid car, and the deal he's getting is too good to pass up. Sorry to see ya have to leave the M lineup... I've owned a lot of cars in my 'short' years... and I really appreciate everything the M family involves. Peace, Dave
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10-18-2009, 12:44 AM | #50 |
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Good luck to the OP on the CTS-V. I really hope you like it after owning for a while.
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So I finally pulled the trigger and wanted to thank everyone for their comments and share some initial thoughts of the two cars. First they are truly two very different machines that go about their business in very different ways. I will also say that both cars are amazing vehicles and yo simply cannot go wrong with either one. THese are simply subjective observations and each person will have their own opinions on each.
Engine: M3: To me sinmly one of the sweetest sounding cars on the top end that I have ever driven. The only issue I ever had was a lack of low end torque and to enjoy this engine you need to be in the upper revs. Yhis can and always will be intoxicating to hear and feel. It is much easier to launch this car and get up to speed and doesnt require alot of finesse at launch/ Simply depends on what you like. CTS-V: A true HP and Torque animal. THe biggest difference that is immediately obvious is the amount of torque this engine makes at all RPM ranges. This car is also much harder to get off the line and get the power down but once you do it is downright scary for a car of this size. THere is instant power at all levels and the car pulls hard all day long. It also has a more traditional America V8 rumble which some may or may not love just an observation. There is a slight drone which is more pronounced than in the M Suspension: M: THe M is one of the best handling cars you will ever drive. The steering feel is impossible to replicate as I always compared this to a surgeon with a sclapel, it is simply that precise. You can always put this car exactly where you want it. Always in control and never nervous at all. THe suspension setup in nearly perfect and offers a great balance. I think it will always be hard to find a car that will keep you as connected as the M does. The Cayman S is close but still not there. CTS-V: The V handles surprisingly well and can hang tough with most cars o the road. The Magnetic suspension offers 2 options so you can have a sport and touring mode which is very nice. THe steering is somewhat vague as compared to the M and not nearly as precise but it still gets the job done and you feel connected and in control most of the time. The V loves to kick the rear out and is alot of fun as lond as you can keep all the power in control. Interior: M: On the M you either love it or you hate it. The interior is all business and somewhat cold compared to others especially the V. I still find the seats in teh M to be the best in the business got spirited driving I always got a little tires on longer drives. All in all the M lacks slightly in creature comforts and overall feel but is still a very functional interior. CTS-V: The interior of the V is probably one of the bigger surprised for me in that it is a beautiful interior with all the creature comforts you can imagine. It has a fantastic 8" pop up GPS display with one of the best IPOD and interaces I have seen. Some may not like the piano black trim on the interior but I personally like it along with the graphite trim and hand stiched interior. It also has really nice ambient lighting at night and all in all is a great place to spend time. I also like the skyview sunroof which is a nice option. The bottom line is like any car in this category it comes down to a simple matter of needs and preference. They are bot incredible cars and have their different virtues. THe V is a scary fast car that can haul teh entire family and the M is simply one of the best overall packages on the road today. Regardless of what you drive enjoy and be safe. Thanks again for all of the feedback. At the end of the day I simply couldnt pass up such a great deal. |
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10-24-2009, 12:58 PM | #52 |
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Great Job JMOS... and great review... much of the same things I experienced when comparing the two.
My only other minor issue, was the 'screen door' like skyview cover... that just sort of 'hangs there' when attempting to cover the skyview roof. I realized they had to do this, as there isn't enough room to 'slide back' a more solid solution... but I think I'd probably just have to leave it rolled up... I felt that was a tacky piece... wish it could be 'tighter/flatter' more like a 'sunroof' slider. Enjoy the ride and the deal!
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That's a really nice comparison. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts and enjoy your flying V!
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I see that you are also in NJ. Mind if I ask which Caddy dealer...Desimone? I am also debating between the CTS-V or the E63 when my lease ends in 5/2010. I already test drove the CTS-V hard and scared the salesman, LOL. Waiting to test drive the E63 when the dealer gets one for the showroom later this month...
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The CTS-V is surely a step up in size and weight compared to the M3, a bit like moving to an M5 without the increase on dosh that would be required for that move.
I never driven one so don't know how it compares but I don't personally like the excessive amount of chrome it uses, apart from that it's a decent looking car both inside and out. But man does it have a lot of poke. |
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So... I was able to REAM it in EVERY WAY!! At that time, I was in the M5... and my partner and I noticed it didn't pull on the 'big end' like my M5... But wow... that TORQUE! And my M5 was modded... the CTS-V with a few mods... would be a BEAST! Dave
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I really like the CTS-V, and it's 25-30k less than the E63, very tempting...
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This always scares me when I read this. No offense to anyone but it reminds me the time I let a friend of my wife's drive my viper. I watched her go two blocks and do a 180 at a right hand turn and jump the curb. Destroyed the drivers side.
CTS-V Cruiser - M3 Carver
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Personally a used manual 08 M5 would be on the top of my list if i am looking for a large family sedan.
CTS V is an nice alternative since its almost imoossible to find a manual M5. I am not sure about ctsv's tranny manual or auto cause i ve never driven one but I know for a fact the SMG in the M5 is pretty frustrating(not as fun as a manual and not as smooth as an auto). Both of these cars are totally a step up from M3 if you are talking about power. I have driven the M5 extensively and when you walk out of a M5 into a M3 , you will think the M3 feels like a 6cylinder. |
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interesting when the OP mentioned the steering precision "The Cayman S is close but still not there" compare to the m3. um....are you sure OP? Cause many are saying otherwise.
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M: THe M is one of the best handling cars you will ever drive. The steering feel is impossible to replicate as I always compared this to a surgeon with a sclapel, it is simply that precise. You can always put this car exactly where you want it. Always in control and never nervous at all. THe suspension setup in nearly perfect and offers a great balance. I think it will always be hard to find a car that will keep you as connected as the M does. The Cayman S is close but still not there." Not to highjack this thread but I test drove a 2009 M3 coupe and a 2009 Cayman S a couple of months ago. Coming from a 335i coupe, the M3 handling was precise, and balanced is a very good descriptor; but I would apply the "surgical" term more to the Cayman S. The Cayman S did have the 19" carrera S wheel package and PASM. Dave |
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If I could do it all over again, I would buy a 2-3 year old M5 that has already taken the depreciation hit, and get the Dinan stroker engine upgrade for 30k...
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