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As an active dealer I can understand your support but unless you have done business with us or have a working knowledge of our operation you should not be making direct comparisons. We have two locations for a reason. One location is in Europe and one is in the US. Because we develop, test and support products outside the US it is critical that we have facilities in both regions. Also we like to run our test cars at locations like the Nürburgring so it is critical that we have our facility there. You simply cannot replicate the test conditions in the US like you can is Europe. We have one US address for customers to send ECU's and one Europen address for customers to send ECU's. I am in the US 100% of the time and AJ splits time in both regions depending on what projects we are working on. Our focus is on that side of the business and not retail accessories. Because of this it allows us to spend our time and efforts developing products that other can't like the E60 M5 / M6 supercharger and the N62 supercharger. We make more superchargers and have more tuning options for BMW than any other vendor. If you want to test this for yourself feel free to visit our website and compare. Our staff is 90% engineers and 10% sales and support. If our products were less reliable and failed more often than they do or if we decided that selling wheels and tires was a necessity I guess we would need to hire more guys but in the past 16 years our system has worked well. |
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Also here's what your man Ashjob posted in regards to your "higher" hp kits. Its obvious you guys play with kits/cars to produce inflated numbers at this point. Dyno, 1/4 mile I dont care... Is it not true you send flash loaders with more aggressive files to customers? We both know it is. Is it not true a handful of your customers have different pulleys they can try? Also known to be true.. Quote:
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05-25-2011, 12:34 PM | #203 | |
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Stop it with the payroll talk man, you, m33 and PG must have a circle of cash from ESS lol... Also FYI (since ALL the information you ever post is invalid) im not running a "standalone" my stock ecu controls plenty of things still (like the Vanos)... Lets see if ESS can make up a dyno chart that makes 800+whp. This stock computer thing is getting old, been there done that... Oh and believe me I know life is more important, this is fun to me more then anything. Last edited by tazam3; 05-25-2011 at 12:48 PM.. |
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05-25-2011, 12:46 PM | #204 | |
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you are the one that said that i was on payroll !lmao and if i was with the amount of business that ESS does,its more like a tree droppin $100 bills,care to get on the payroll ! It amaze me that you keep repeating the same thing about a Dyno chart !! |
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05-25-2011, 12:50 PM | #206 | |
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05-25-2011, 12:54 PM | #208 | |
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But to be fair, you really can't compare 1/4 mile traps from different tracks the same way you can dynojet results, there is no standard acceptable CF for conditions at 1/4 mile tracks. ET's are based mainly on the launch, certainly a 6MT with a good launch can run with a DCT that did a lackluster 60', but I have yet to see a 6MT NA car run 12 flat or high 11's like DCT cars. I've made at least 50 passes in my M3, NA and SC'd. Two different tracks and the trap speeds varied as much as 4MPH, similar setup, both NA and SC'd. Look at the stock C6 Z06 times, you have some trapping 118 and others trapping 129, pretty big gap, all based mainly on conditions, of course there are anomalies now and then, 6MT shift speed, traction etc. does play a role too. The one 6MT ESS car that trapped 113 NA then 118 SC'd were in vastly different conditions, the N/A trap was -1000, the SC'd was in positive DA and he explained that he did not get a clean run while SC'D. DCT vs. 6MT is really not a fair comparison, they just aren't, I've done plenty of comparo's, NA and SC'd to confirm this. N/A comparo's even when the 6MT had more power, I still easily pulled and my car was aobut even with another DCT so it wasn't anything special. A SC'D 6MT would probably need an additional 80whp to pull on a DCT in a side by side comparo up to 130, of course this could be proved wrong, but so far I've not seen it. Also traction going down the track is huge, but not so much off the line. At a private event at Famoso last year, all the N/A 6MT M3's were trapping in the 108-112 range, I trapped 114-116, even with less power. SC'd 60-130 there is a 1 second difference, that is HUGE. To date, this of course can change, 1/4 mile traps, all the DCT cars are in the 120+ range, I've yet to see a 120+ pass for any 6MT E9X supercharged M3. DCT SC'd cars, this also shows a gap between tracks as well, even with more power, etc. DLSJ5 Gintani DCT 8.5psi 131MPH Sacramento (Fast Track) DLSJ5 Gintani DCT 9.5psi 127MPH Famoso (Moderate Track) DLSJ5 ESS DCT 7.5psi 129MPH Famoso Another Gintani DCT 8psi 124MPH Famoso AK Active Autowerke DCT 7psi 124MPH Atco (Fast Track) SammyRusso DCT 5.5psi Gintani Famoso 123MPH
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I think the question noone has answered yet, is if the DCT is worth 6+mph more in the 1/4 mph trap speeds, how did AKH with DCT trap 112mph NA, and the other guy with manual M3 trap 113mph with equal NA powered motors? and then the manual ESS s/c car trapped 117 mph (actually 2 ESS s/c'd M3's did that) and AKH trapped 124 mph?
and noone seems to bring up that DLJ was only trapping equally 123 and 125 mph on his setup before he decided to change things around. to get better mph, you have to add hp or drop weight.. and adding hp takes time, octane and boost. dropping weight only takes 30 minutes or so.. |
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Yes you are right, i actually have to run my own business im not at ESS lol. Quote:
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FYI (you definitely need it) the E46 chassis had a recall for the subframe, i tore mine up when I was making 840whp and trying to warm up the tires. |
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05-25-2011, 01:09 PM | #212 | |
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Plus i never ran my car on the strip to be compared II. I know that there was a recall for the subframe cause the way most guys drive em. BTW try a blowtorch next time to heat up your tires,it works 60% of the time all the time !!! |
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05-25-2011, 01:17 PM | #214 | |
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I think i know who you are ?? Tell me im right !!! |
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05-25-2011, 01:20 PM | #215 | |
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Shockerrrrr. And you were the genius that decided NOT to reinforce the subframe with that much power? lol
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im not following what your saying?
i plan on supercharging my M in about 2 months after im used to it. this is the number 1 thread in the performance section and between the 2 top s/c companies. id like to hear the thoughts on how such a variance and mainly what each psi is worth. my next question was going to be about what psi each company feels is still safe for street cars? but i have a feeling thats been discussed here before and should probably search on my own |
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05-25-2011, 01:25 PM | #218 |
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I don't want to get involved with this discussion.. just wanted to point out a few things.
Honestly, this is a stupid thread/argument. I have seen this one too many times. I have been through it myself and I have given up. I take the high road. This week it's ESS vs Active. Next week it's going to be ESS vs VF. Then back to ESS vs Gintani. Everyone who want's a SC kit, get what ever the f*ck you want. It's your money, your car, don't let anyone change your opinion. Do your homework and see what you want. Don't always go by what you read/see. Call up the owners, go for rides, ask to drive their cars, look at race videos, see whats up. Do your homework! Look at the boost levels, look at the gas used, the transmission, the whole 9 yards. To be honest, some people defend a company WAY too much. They stay up ALL night long trying to find a way to make another company look bad, collect data and do all this b/s that isn't needed. If you want to do that, more power to you. I don't get anything out of it, at the end of the day, I'm still paying for every minute that is worked on my car, I don't get a kick back, I don't get shit. I rather put my time into something that I'll actually get something back, like a job/business. So if you make a choice to go with Active, ESS, Gintani, Gpower, VF, Uncle Bob's S/C kit, it doesn't make a difference in my life and it shouldn't matter in yours. Let the public pick what they want, they don't need this b/s thread. It's pointless. I have plenty to say about this subject but I honestly am over the tuner bullshit. Who ever sells the more kits, who ever does what, it doesn't make a difference in my life. I'm happy with my choice. I'm sure the people who have their kits are happy with theirs. Everyone go out and drive your cars. You want to go do 1/4 miles go for it, you want do 60-130 runs go for it, you want to sit at a dyno all day long, go for it. Do what ever the hell makes you happy. Sure, come post it on the forum and see what other people can do against it. Don't sit here and knock the other guy for not getting what you got. Every single car is different, not one car is going to be the same. Try improving your own time, your own 60-130, your own dynos. Don't go after another company, what the hell is the point in that? You want to try and prove that your product is superior to the other, it's not going to happen. There are too many variables in the equation, simple as that. The only thing you guys can compare is a tune and I'll tell you right now that is a whole another ball game, a whole another pissing match, a whole another can of drama that I don't even want to go down that alley. I will stand by what I said earlier, dynos to me are bullshit. 60-130 is just a tool to see where you stand. (DCT have advantages on that) Go find a open road, do some friendly runs. At the end of the day, we're all the same. We all love cars and we are all here for the fun, who else sits on a forum for hours at a time? I'm sure I'll be getting bashed about this post or 100 questions are going to come my way but at the end of the day, let me tell you again, I don't care. This is a hobby for me, a hobby that I doubt I'll be doing much longer. Josh
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