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Well, let me preface this by saying that if I wanted a sedan, it would have been a tough decision between the M3 and C63. The biggest thing I didn't like about the C63 is the lack of a MT, and I wasn't impressed by the automatic either. The interior is very comfortable all around (even moreso than the M3), but I wasn't a fan of how it looks or the functionality of some of the technology. At that time (I'm not sure if this is still the case), if I wanted the LSD, I would have had to get the Performance Package, which was much too stiff and unforgiving on Houston streets. Even with the PP, it didn't have the confidence-inspiring handling of the M3. It's certainly no slouch, but it felt "nervous" at times and over-reacted to throttle input in certain situations.
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10-22-2009, 09:36 AM | #26 | |
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i was looking for a coupe with a manual tranny so that ruled out the c63 right away. left me with either the m3 or the s5... so between those two, its the m3 - no contest. now if the rs5 were on the market when i was shopping around, i may not be driving an m3 right now.
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10-23-2009, 04:11 AM | #27 | |
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IMHO, Mercedes introduced this package because it cost them little to nothing in R&D to do so. As pointed out by others above, they already have versions of this engine making plenty more than 487hp. So this engine is still crippled compared to their state of the art. As for the BMW, we have no idea what it means yet. But certainly the precedent is there for a CSL both in the E36 and E46 generation so a more hardcore version of the E92 was not out of the realm of possibility. Even though BMW said they weren't doing it, we know that OEMs sometimes say one thing and then do the opposite. |
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10-23-2009, 04:55 AM | #28 | |
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If the shoe was on the other foot and it was BMW where about to release the new M3 when both of the other brands started to show improvements on both their models would we all not agree that the intro the M3 had somehow spurred them into action. I'm not trying to play up the intro of the RS5 or trying to say it's something almighty but it probably is the reason for the performance pack on the C63 being release now of all times and the GT4 'Street' hammering around the ring. Competition is healthy and leads to better products allround. |
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That perfectly acceptable and I respect your opinion, I was only offering my opinion on this and I know not everyone will agree with it. |
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"It's not like BMW nor Mercedes to offer improvement beyond what they already have up to now." You were specifically talking about uncharacteristic changes to the car after initial release, not a brand new car like the F3x M3 you mention above will be. Quote:
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I test drove it about 2 times, but I guess I didn't drive it hard enough to really understand some of its weaknesses. I have to admit that I felt jealous when I found out that the C63 was just a reflash away from creeping over 500 hp! Thanks for your response Tom. Quote:
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I think the C63 looks great! Sure is an eye-catcher seeing one on the street. If I were to consider a four-door, it would be a difficult choice for me between the M3 sedan and the C63.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions most of all in regards to aesthetics. He did not say the car IS crap.
+1 for all of those who noticed the continual Pro-Audi stuff from foot, so predictable...
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For all those who noticed? How can you not notice?
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I COMPLETELY agree with your first statement. However to say since he said it looks like "crap" but never said "is crap" would be playing defense attorney. Those comments are what makes threads like this one and the several that came before it eventually turn nasty and get closed.
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10-23-2009, 02:59 PM | #43 | |
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It still amazes me that Mercedes classes fitting something over six litres in a car the size of a mondeo as normal and thank heavens for them. I can only imagine when they finally drop the auto for a proper DCT it will be a truly exceptional machine. |
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