tough not to look at ford

[Z K]

Unless they fix the numb steering and ergonomic mess inside the Mustang, it only looks good on paper.

People need to stop looking at numbers (lap times, horsepower, quarter mile times etc) and go drive a car. The current 5.0 is fast but it isn't very fun to drive and there is very little communication from the chassis with the driver's inputs. Unless that's changed with the new one, it's a no-go for me.

Z06 is another story. Great track day car, fun to drive but not very nice to drive every day.

[UnaBomber]

my best friends 2013 Boss.

Built/Sleeved motor
T56 6 speed
Hellion TT kit.

Makes 850whp on 93 and 1200 whp on c16

75kish total into the car/build

[M3-S65]

Originally Posted by WWM3

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...mparison-tests

Here is is on video too....completely ridiculous. From a performance stand point it lost to both cars....the comparison had nothing to do with performance. Like I mentioned its a total package car but from a performance stand point it loses...this simply proves the point.

[LarThaL]

I have always said that beyond a certain level of absolute performance, the enjoyment of the driving experience becomes highly subjective. One is hard pressed to find a more subjectively enjoyable street car than the M3. Notice, that I said, street car not track car. Building a car that excels on a track comes at the expense of street civility. The M3 has struck this balance absolutely perfectly IMO.

In any case, since I don't race on the Nurburgring for money, I really don't care about 'ring times. The car which gives me the best overall sensory experience is the one for me. All cars will ultimately have to compromise in some areas to excel in others.

[Ezio]

i am all one for a high power N/A engine. but idk if i can deal with the looks of those new mustangs. i liked the GT500 looks of the current one though.

[Petros]

Originally Posted by M3-S65

Here is is on video too....completely ridiculous. From a performance stand point it lost to both cars....the comparison had nothing to do with performance. Like I mentioned its a total package car but from a performance stand point it loses...this simply proves the point.

That test was such bullshit. An M3 is not even in the same league as those other 2 proper supercars, let alone "better". I'm pretty sure there aren't a lot of GTR or 911 Turbo owners thinking "Damn, I wish I had an M3 instead of this car".

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by Petros

That test was such bullshit. An M3 is not even in the same league as those other 2 proper supercars, let alone "better". I'm pretty sure there aren't a lot of GTR or 911 Turbo owners thinking "Damn, I wish I had an M3 instead of this car".

Several forum members have gone e9x M3 to GTR to e9x again. Probably for the same reason C&D picked the M3 in this comparison.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by LarThaL

I have always said that beyond a certain level of absolute performance, the enjoyment of the driving experience becomes highly subjective. One is hard pressed to find a more subjectively enjoyable street car than the M3. Notice, that I said, street car, not track car. Building a car that excels on a track comes at the expense of street civility. The M3 has struck this balance absolutely perfectly IMO.

In any case, since I don't race on the Nurburgring for money, I really don't care about 'ring times. The car which gives me the best overall sensory experience is the one for me. All cars will ultimately have to compromise in some areas to excel in others.

+1

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by M3-S65

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Here is is on video too....completely ridiculous. From a performance stand point it lost to both cars....the comparison had nothing to do with performance. Like I mentioned its a total package car but from a performance stand point it loses...this simply proves the point.

I don't think you can say the comparison had nothing to do with performance. Obviously, they felt the M3 was the best all around performing car or else it wouldn't have won the comparison.

They have the M3 as having tied for best performance, tied for best handling, and it beats the other two in the engine and transmission categories.

[W///]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Dude, I'm just still not sure about that rear end. I'm really dying to see one in real life to put my mind at ease.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Petros

That test was such bullshit. An M3 is not even in the same league as those other 2 proper supercars, let alone "better". I'm pretty sure there aren't a lot of GTR or 911 Turbo owners thinking "Damn, I wish I had an M3 instead of this car".

I think anyone with half a brain cell would realize both those other cars would smoke the M3 in terms of pure performance.

Here's my question to you. Why did you buy an M3? And also, do you track it? Not trying to start a fight, just legitimately curious.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by W///

Dude, I'm just still not sure about that rear end. I'm really dying to see one in real life to put my mind at ease.

Yeah when I saw it at the auto show I didn't like the rear so much. The front is pretty damn nice tho for a mustang.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by W///

Dude, I'm just still not sure about that rear end. I'm really dying to see one in real life to put my mind at ease.

Need to see the rear in person also, but I like the front and side views.

[W///]

Originally Posted by WWM3

Need to see the rear in person also, but I like the front and side views.

Agreed. I think this is the nicest front end on a Mustang since the first gen. Something with the angle of that rear end that doesn't look right to me, and also how far the rear bumper sticks out relative to everything else.

[M3-S65]

Originally Posted by W///

I think anyone with half a brain cell would realize both those other cars would smoke the M3 in terms of pure performance.

Really? because half the comments from our loved brother M3 owners on this thread are stating performance was essentially equally weighted in winning that comparo......

[Dave07997S]

As someone who has personally seen a Race Red 2015 Mustang GT at the Venice, CA showing and I have to say it was stunning. I am on my 2nd E92 M3 and I have to tell you the 2015 Mustang is going to be a force in the Coupe GT field. However, you need to wait until the GT350 comes out and later on the GT500 with a Twin Turbo Coyote V8 making close to 700hp. Those are the Stangs that are going to play with the big boys.

A Triple Yellow with black wheels...




Guards with TrackPack

[ilikebmxbikes]

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

Bro in law owns a Z06, not that easy to drive, unbearable on SF streets, long trips forget it, noise is deafening, go over bumps its like a jar of bolts/plastic, seats are terrible (know that's being corrected in this gen). That's what I mean about refinement. Different situation as pure track car.

my father has a c6 z06 corvette. aside from it being super low, i think it is a fantastic car. he has taken it on 1500 mile trips and it has performed extremely reliably. he is a man in his 70's and has zero problems sitting in the seats for long drives. the car also gets amazing gas mileage for what it is. The M3 is absolutely better built interior wise and is more comfortable, but I do not find the z06 to be as bad as you paint it.

And referring to the overall topic of the thread, numbers only matter to a point. I personally have zero interest in ever owning a GTR, z06, mustang etc. They are just not in my taste. I dont discredit them by any means, I just dont want one. Does being a faster car make it a better car? not to me.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

As someone who has personally seen a Race Red 2015 Mustang GT at the Venice, CA showing and I have to say it was stunning. I am on my 2nd E92 M3 and I have to tell you the 2015 Mustang is going to be a force in the Coupe GT field. However, you need to wait until the GT350 comes out and later on the GT500 with a Twin Turbo Coyote V8 making close to 700hp. Those are the Stangs that are going to play with the big boys.

A Triple Yellow with black wheels...

The pictures i posted were taken by me at the ATL auto show. I have seen it in person. It does look great but the ass is a little funny. Kinda like the new M4 lol.

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by M3-S65

Really? because half the comments from our loved brother M3 owners on this thread are stating performance was essentially equally weighted in winning that comparo......

Never said that. All I said was the M in the E9x M3 was not for marketing and it held its own against more powerful and more expensive cars. This was questioned and I provided evidence. Never said their 0-60 times, 1/4 times were even or close.

[Petros]

Originally Posted by WWM3

Never said that. All I said was the M in the E9x M3 was not for marketing and it held its own against more powerful and more expensive cars. This was questioned and I provided evidence. Never said their 0-60 times, 1/4 times were even or close.

sorry but it didn't "hold its own". it got totally crushed in the performance tests. the authors gave the M3 the win because of some subjective talk about the "overall package". But by the same token I can argue the M3 is better than a Veyron or Koeniggsegg Agera or Mclaren F1 because it's a better "overall package".

[LarThaL]

I find the new Mustang to be an absolutely stunning design. I love it from every angle, including the rear. I am seriously going to have to consider one of the top performing models. And if the interior sucks, I will have the money left over for a complete custom interior build.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

As someone who has personally seen a Race Red 2015 Mustang GT at the Venice, CA showing and I have to say it was stunning. I am on my 2nd E92 M3 and I have to tell you the 2015 Mustang is going to be a force in the Coupe GT field. However, you need to wait until the GT350 comes out and later on the GT500 with a Twin Turbo Coyote V8 making close to 700hp. Those are the Stangs that are going to play with the big boys.

i am considering a next gen GT500. the car should be stupid fast. the GT500 already has the power to play. if they can put that power into a proper sports car. i am game. just hope they are out in time when my current M3 lease is up. (early 2016)