C&D Lightning Lap

schadenfreude · 10-03-2008, 01:50 PM

Just got my bathroom reading material in the mail, and M3 bests a lot of cars to place 3rd in the price class. Not surprisingly, the CTS-V and vette beat it, but everything else falls behind the M3. They blame the M3's time on the DCT, which put up it's best time in full auto mode.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...p_2008_feature

sayemthree · 10-03-2008, 04:56 PM

shoulda tested a MT!!!!

scm319 · 10-03-2008, 06:38 PM

"But the real difference was the M3’s automated manual gearbox, which didn’t want to downshift on command, and our best lap was achieved while driving the car in pure automatic mode."

OUCH... helps solidify my decision to go forward with a 6sp.

ismelllikepoop · 10-03-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by scm319

"But the real difference was the M3’s automated manual gearbox, which didn’t want to downshift on command, and our best lap was achieved while driving the car in pure automatic mode."

OUCH... helps solidify my decision to go forward with a 6sp.

oh shoot c+d just called dct an automatic

AMJ_77 · 10-03-2008, 07:16 PM

dct

JEllis · 10-03-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ismelllikepoop

oh shoot c+d just called dct an automatic

Or they were just talking the name of the mode....

Jason

ismelllikepoop · 10-03-2008, 07:18 PM

i was jk, seems like a decent amount of ppl on here are sensitive about how to classify their transmission

Zed · 10-03-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ismelllikepoop

i was jk, seems like a decent amount of ppl on here are sensitive about how to classify their transmission

It's like calling Otoro tuna fish... technically correct, but oh so missing the full picture.

Its a connoisseur thing.

For those of us that think a car is more than a device to take us from point a to point b... the details become rather important.

schadenfreude · 10-03-2008, 08:28 PM

I wonder, though, if a 6mt would have been able to shave 2 seconds off the time to beat the CTS-V. If they did one run, and the car wouldn't downshift, I can see the 6MT making a difference, but with multiple runs over 2 days in different modes, I'm not so sure. Even with the 6MT, I think the M would have probably still finished 3rd.

rzm3 · 10-03-2008, 08:41 PM

damn you DCT

bimmerj · 10-04-2008, 07:39 AM

It is funny, I thought the DCT was designed to out perform the MT on track and everywhere else.

Minimization · 10-04-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bimmerj

It is funny, I thought the DCT was designed to out perform the MT on track and everywhere else.

Yes...I know (coming from a M DCT believer here). I hope BMW fixes any software glitches, etc., or this is the biggest scam on the options list.

MWM · 10-05-2008, 08:03 AM

Don't know about you guys, but I can't buy the M3 I'd want for $30k-60k (their goofy 'LL2' classification). Much closer to $70k. CTS-V doesn't belong in there yet either. I can't exactly walk down to my dealer and pick one up like the other cars in the list, and it looked like the others were 2008 (not '09).

Not a very rigorous classification by the geniuses at C&D.

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schadenfreude Lieutenant 8 Rep 426 Posts Drives: '09 E90 M-DCT M3 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 E90 M3 [0.00]	C&D Lightning Lap - M3 places 3rd in price class Just got my bathroom reading material in the mail, and M3 bests a lot of cars to place 3rd in the price class. Not surprisingly, the CTS-V and vette beat it, but everything else falls behind the M3. They blame the M3's time on the DCT, which put up it's best time in full auto mode. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...p_2008_feature
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sayemthree Major General 597 Rep 5,448 Posts Drives: ‘20 X3mC ‘20 Raptor ‘04 X3 6mt Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: usa so cal , AZ iTrader: (0)	shoulda tested a MT!!!! __________________ Fore Sale Rare 6 speed manual X3 3.oi silver over grey. PM me
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scm319 New Member 1 Rep 10 Posts Drives: E46 M3 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (0)	"But the real difference was the M3’s automated manual gearbox, which didn’t want to downshift on command, and our best lap was achieved while driving the car in pure automatic mode." OUCH... helps solidify my decision to go forward with a 6sp. __________________ 2003 /// M3 6MT Steel Grey Metalic on Cinnamon Mods: aFe intake///Supersprint S and X pipes///Eisenmann 83mm race///Tein SS-P///UUC Evo3 with DSSR///UUC Big Boy Clutch Stop///UUC TME///CDV removal///BHS underdrive pullies///
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AMJ_77 Captain 20 Rep 667 Posts Drives: AW E92 M3 M-DCT Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Edmonton iTrader: (2)	dct
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10-03-2008, 07:18 PM	#7
ismelllikepoop First Lieutenant 26 Rep 365 Posts Drives: m3 Join Date: May 2008 Location: pooptown iTrader: (1)	i was jk, seems like a decent amount of ppl on here are sensitive about how to classify their transmission
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schadenfreude Lieutenant 8 Rep 426 Posts Drives: '09 E90 M-DCT M3 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Seattle, WA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2009 E90 M3 [0.00]	I wonder, though, if a 6mt would have been able to shave 2 seconds off the time to beat the CTS-V. If they did one run, and the car wouldn't downshift, I can see the 6MT making a difference, but with multiple runs over 2 days in different modes, I'm not so sure. Even with the 6MT, I think the M would have probably still finished 3rd.
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10-03-2008, 08:41 PM	#10
rzm3 Moderator 673 Rep 4,737 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (18)	damn you DCT
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bimmerj Captain 146 Rep 795 Posts Drives: cars Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	It is funny, I thought the DCT was designed to out perform the MT on track and everywhere else.
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10-05-2008, 08:03 AM	#13
MWM Private First Class 39 Rep 126 Posts Drives: M3 (F80) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Falmouth, ME iTrader: (0)	< $60k Don't know about you guys, but I can't buy the M3 I'd want for $30k-60k (their goofy 'LL2' classification). Much closer to $70k. CTS-V doesn't belong in there yet either. I can't exactly walk down to my dealer and pick one up like the other cars in the list, and it looked like the others were 2008 (not '09). Not a very rigorous classification by the geniuses at C&D.
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