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To make this short I will say that I wouldnt own a performance car that I didnt enjoy driving. Whatever it is that I enjoy in car is probably something I couldnt put into words so I wont try. Like I stated earlier, plenty of people hated, and I mean hated, what BMW did with the M3 when the E36 M came out. Then BMW made it worse for us Americans and didnt give us the Euro engine. But, it still won plenty of praise. And you know what, it puts a smile on my face everytime I drive it. So, personally I think the journalists have no idea what I like in a performance car nor the masses. So, when I pick mine up in April I will let you know if I decide to keep it or not. But, I bet you I will love it. I havnt lost my faith in M yet.... Jason
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Anyways, the OP was about "M" cars in general and where it's all going. If Ruff had made it a specific regional post like "what does BMW offer in the U.S. that is more track orientated than the current M3"- than any mention of the CSL would indeed have been irrelevant..... |
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Ok true, but lets not forget that Utah is indeed in the US. |
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I could care less that it is a bit softer or whatever, now I've finally seen one. I'm in love all over again.
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As stated in your original post, you have only the car magazines' reviews of the way the E92 M3 feels and performs. Since everyone is different, you and I cannot rely on them alone, we must drive them for ourselves.
My advice for you is as follows; if you are that concerned about the way the new M3 is going to be, I encourage you to test, to some extent, all the new cars you mentioned (C63, CTS-V, Cayman/997S, Z06, IS-F, etc.) when they come out, of course. Keep note of how they all feel to you and what you would want to spend on that experience daily for the next 20 years. I think that you may quickly find that BMW M has not skewed from its insistence that they do make "The Ultimate Driving Machine". To know that its not all about numbers (who makes more HP, etc), its about the whole driving pleasure experience. I know thats why I bought a BMW. :-) |
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BMW is interested in getting market shares..... There cars are pretty ugly and technology has been a hit or miss.... i.e. Active steering, SMG, etc.
There suspensions have become so stiff that ordering sport suspension will mean driving on the race track only. They are pushing cars...... The new M3 is a good looking car for sure..... but steering feel is an issue??? |
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I will have a few things to say on this once the next issue of EVO is published in 10 days time. If you remember I recently compared the E92 M3 over a 3 day grouptest with every other major M-car of the past 20 years.
I think it's a worthwhile debate because when you do get the chance to compare the various generations of M-car there are a few concerns that do emerge. Unsurprisingly the more commercial mindset of M-division is one of those concerns. It all boils down to what you define as being the remit of M-Division. |
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The new M3 I believe will still be an awesome vehicle but I'll have to hold off final judgement until it arrives here.......someday........ |
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09-07-2007, 05:39 PM | #38 | |
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The only source I've heard from on this subject is from Scott26 on this forum who mentioned the E92 will NOT be coming here in CSL form. |
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If PAG would've invested into DFI technology for it's sportscars instead of wasting their engineering $$ n making a 4-door sedan, the Cayman and 911's would be slightly more torqy and effecient... This would've killed the new M3 completly. I'm leaning more and more towards the Cayman S, specially when low mileage leases are comming up for under $40k. I don;t usually buy used cars but for about $4k in mods, the Cayman S will have the HP (acceleration) I desire. The more and more I think about it, the E92 M3 should've been smaller and lighter than the 335 in a big way. I'm just upset with the car. The engine and chasis seem great. Why BMW doesn't dail in the steering with all the complaints is beyound me. I really don't want a techno marvel.. I was a Sports Car first and formost!! Maybe the MY2009 Cayman S will have DFI and i won't have to babble about the E90 rediculious interior and the misplaced M3! -Garrett Last edited by Garrett; 09-07-2007 at 09:19 PM.. |
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You are right. I agree the E46 CSL is fantastic car, but BMW enthusiasts really need to quit playing the CSL card. I see it happen almost every time the M3 gets a poor review or doesn't stand up to it's competitors. The CSL really is irrelevent at least when compared to it's competitors because it's competitors are hampered with extra weight and less than optimal power out puts due to U.S. crash and emmission standards. How come Audi can build the track ready R8 and Porsche can build the track ready GT3 RS yet both cars are legitimate daily drivers and meet U.S. specs? Has the CSL not been offered in the states thus far becuase M engineers don't have the competency to build a light weight and powerful track car that is also a legitimate daily driver that can meet U.S. specs? Maybe M should seek out a few Porsche and Audi engineers.
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I think you are giving AUDI way to much credit...
Which to me puts your motives in question...... but whatever. Audi finally (kinda) got something right. At this point very few, (press excluded) have actually driven the New M3 and the ones who have LOVE it. The so called "steering issue" is NOT an issue for them or Car and Driver for that matter. Search the forum most recent if you haven't read it already. Some of you are like little girls, you believe anything the man with the bag of candy and a black van says. Test drive the thing yourself before you condem the thing. How hard is that ? |
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