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07-13-2012, 08:53 AM | #312 | |
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I had the same experience as you. When I test drove the F10 550i it felt like I was driving a Lexus. Unfortunately, I parted ways with my E60 550i and moved into the 1M over the M3. I love the S65, but the E9X is too porky. I'm a little disappointed that the M division wasn't able to achieve significant weight savings on the 1M, but it's the closest thing to what M used to stand for.
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07-13-2012, 02:22 PM | #314 | |
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the HST days can be a little ummm.. interesting.... a BMW CCA event will be a bit more structured (read: safer).. Hope to see you there! |
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07-13-2012, 02:35 PM | #316 |
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Yeah, but they really lost their way when they started selling coffee mugs and keychains too
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While I agree for the most part that the M brand has been "watered down" in recent years. All the blame can't be placed on the marketing people. Nobody has commented on the fact that auto racing has changed. The Ferrari F40, Jaguar XJ220 & McLaren F1 were all cars that were homologated in order to race in an FIA series. Sadly FIA GT1 no longer exists. So car companies pour money into what racing series they deem gets them the most bang for the buck.
I'm not a huge Nascar fan, but that used to be THE "race on Sunday sell on Monday" series. No one can argue that the Chevy's and Fords that race there now have nothing in common with the street cars. Yes M cars are still great cars. (note how i said cars) No they're not street versions of race cars anymore. But what really is?!? Unless you have gobs of money to spend... Just my two cents. |
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Sadly this is what I felt when I started feeling confused about all the upcoming different and new models. It's starting to lose the feeling of passion and brand. I'm worried about the sense of belonging in ownership in the years to come. I'm a lover of the 3 series coupe but now its sounding like a 4 series. Exactly what is it? It's starting to feel like the marketing of Toyota or Kia. Soon there will be another off shoot from BMW like a Toyota/Lexus. I hope in 2 years when I change my car I will will have the same sense of belonging from my first BMW over a decade ago, and not feel confused.
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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Ever listen to a Starbucks order? Do you mod your car? How's BMW's Individual doing? These days we don't want the same thing as the next guy, we want the same production thing to customize. We're hobbyists. Even with lattes. Which brings up another point: I'm not a race car driver I know. But if I was ... you what I wouldn't do? Buy a mass produced luxury car with leather, A/C, and bluetooth. That comes with European delivery. I haven't checked into it, but is that how F1s are delivered? More on that here: Quote:
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That actually is a good description of what many, if not most, professional race car drivers own as street cars/daily drivers.
http://vehicle.ezinemark.com/persona...6ca0bb668.html
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Honestly, some of you guys need to look at it from both perspectives.
From BMW's point of view, you can't argue what they're doing. It's a business. They're here to make money. If they can do something, anything, to make more money - you bet your ass they will. It's nothing personal, it's just the way the world works. They have built amazing M cars over the years and built its reputation from the ground up since the 70's. They're using their hard earned rep to boost their sales. What's wrong with that? Absolutely nothing. Again - this is if you look at it from their point of view. On the other hand, you have us enthusiasts that love what the M brand used to be. The M badge was something that signified motoring excellence. And with BMW adding M badges to everything.. it's killing its credibility and its overall perceived image.
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