Battle of the Supercars: M3 vs IS-F

[mfanatic325]

Originally Posted by graider

hehe, I recorded this with my friend when it came to our local dealer for a showcasing

[Robert]

Toyota did pretty well for cars considered as shitbox back in the 70s. Knocking on the doors of the mighty M3 now in 2010. 10 years ago this competition wouldn't even occur, people would be laughing in their graves.

What's scary is now Hyundai is ready to step up. Samsung and LG has already taken over electronics. Will be see M3. vs Sonata type S in 2020?

[slo_335-e90]

awesome show...but the people on the show...not so much. gawd

[FStop7]

10 years ago this competition wouldn't even occur, people would be laughing in their graves.

12 years ago the 1998 Supra would have smoked the M3 of the time.

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by Scoobe

Where the IS-F gets knocked around a lot by reviewers is it's noticably harsh ride compared to the competition. Performance numbers are close, but every comparison I've seen between the two pick the M3. The IS-F is a hodge-podge of parts thrown together and a stiffened ride. Probably more accurate to have this face off with the next gen M3, when it too becomes a hodge-podge of parts thrown together with a tuned suspension

How do you know so much about the next M3? Please send me all of the technical information you have proving this point. Thanks

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by Cdnrockies

Care to explain the highlighted portion???

There were only 10 allocated to all of Canada so I'd wager there aren't 3 coming to our local market??? As well, they aren't for sale so nobody "bought one cash up front"???

There are a few guys on the Lexus forums that are on the list and have discussed it at lenghth, but your portrayal doesn't seem realistic. Please clarify.

He is a liar and I agree since he has 3 people he knows buying them it means he knows more than you. More internet trash here now.

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by adamm3k

Current m3 > current is-F

Next m3 twin turbo 6 < next is-f, lfa derived v8

You also send me the information about both of these cars since you seem to know so much about them. Its amazing how manu people just assume things without knowing SHIT about the cars they talk about. These cars anre YEARS away and you speak like you know the lexus is going to be better because the new M3 with be a turbo 6. Logic I can not nor ever will understand.

[adamm3k]

Originally Posted by ALPINE6SPD

You also send me the information about both of these cars since you seem to know so much about them. Its amazing how manu people just assume things without knowing SHIT about the cars they talk about. These cars anre YEARS away and you speak like you know the lexus is going to be better because the new M3 with be a turbo 6. Logic I can not nor ever will understand.

Its amazing that you say that since you drive neither. I was speaking on a general basis btw - the true M characteristic will be lost IMO once it goes turbo. I am no Lexus fan whatsoever, but I do respect the fact they are developing these engines specifically for their F line, as BMW once did for their Ms.

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by crackberry

400K? id never shell that much money for a car. thats like 1/2 a house in california.

more like half a condo here, but in some parts of the country you can get a decent house for that much

I would never pay that much for the LF-A but that doesn't mean it isn't worth it. It's like the Playstation 3 which was more expensive than its competition and people were outraged at the price when it first came out but it actually cost Sony even more than the retail price to make the console. Lexus was willing to lose money on these 500 LF-As if it meant they could make a truly remarkable car that will further legitimize the Lexus brand in the performance car world.

[alms211]

Originally Posted by Remonster

more like half a condo here, but in some parts of the country you can get a decent house for that much

I would never pay that much for the LF-A but that doesn't mean it isn't worth it. It's like the Playstation 3 which was more expensive than its competition and people were outraged at the price when it first came out but it actually cost Sony even more than the retail price to make the console. Lexus was willing to lose money on these 500 LF-As if it meant they could make a truly remarkable car that will further legitimize the Lexus brand in the performance car world.

Embelish much?

http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...202?source=web

[Robert]

Originally Posted by FStop7

12 years ago the 1998 Supra would have smoked the M3 of the time.

Not too familiar with stock supra performance. Stock for stock E36M3 couldn't hold its own against a stock supra?

[crackberry]

400K, you can buy a house with that!

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by MERCSUk153

The person that buys the LFA would laugh at the cars you just listed and have many houses in many countries already. These kind of cars are not for the average or even way above average person. These cars are for the top 1% of the people and they don't even blink at $400k so why not is the question and if they can even get a hold of the limited production is the concern, not what other cars they can buy with $400k.

I agree with what you said wholeheartedly, but wanted to clarify a couple of things.

First, nobody is "buying" one. They are only available for lease for the first 2 years, in order to keep collectors from snapping them up or speculators trying to flip them for a profit.

Second, having the cash is only a very small part of the equation. Lexus actually did an extensive application/interview process and selected the owners. There are a few guys on the Lexus sites that have been chosen (and a few more that applied and didn't get picked) that have walked everyone through the process step by step.

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by Robert

Not too familiar with stock supra performance. Stock for stock E36M3 couldn't hold its own against a stock supra?

Not even close. A stock 320 HP Supra Turbo would pretty much run with Vettes of that era - on either a track or drag strip.

Nowadays, Supra Turbos are more or less legendary in modified form, making anywhere from 450 HP (pretty much base aftermarket tune) to over 1000 HP.

They say the stock bottom end is good for well over 600 HP with no problems.

There is a joke about them, however.

"What do 400 HP, 700 HP and 1,000 HP Supras have in common?"

"Twelve second time slips."

Traction is a major issue. You'll see them out on the highway, however, running "from a roll" as they say. Deadly out there.

[shiggy]

Originally Posted by MERCSUk153

The person that buys the LFA would laugh at the cars you just listed and have many houses in many countries already. These kind of cars are not for the average or even way above average person. These cars are for the top 1% of the people and they don't even blink at $400k so why not is the question and if they can even get a hold of the limited production is the concern, not what other cars they can buy with $400k.

do you ever proof read what you write before posting?
I think you should start!

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by MERCSUk153

The person that buys the LFA would laugh at the cars you just listed and have many houses in many countries already. These kind of cars are not for the average or even way above average person. These cars are for the top 1% of the people and they don't even blink at $400k so why not is the question and if they can even get a hold of the limited production is the concern, not what other cars they can buy with $400k.

Anyone buying (leasing) an LFA is adding to a stable of exotic cars. This is not a car for people trading up their daily driver from an M3. So when someone says "I would rather have a (fill in the blank)", chances are that the LFA purchaser already has one.

CA

[bmwmthree]

Originally Posted by 330CIZHP

Again, arguing about price when one cannot afford one is just pointless. The people who can buy it have done so since all 500 are sold-out so you cannot buy one anyway (I happen to know 3 of the people who bought LFA on cash upfront).

I thought at first you could only lease the LF-A?

[graider]

[QUOTE=Cdnrockies;8253153]I agree with what you said wholeheartedly, but wanted to clarify a couple of things.

First, nobody is "buying" one. They are only available for lease for the first 2 years, in order to keep collectors from snapping them up or speculators trying to flip them for a profit.

Second, having the cash is only a very small part of the equation. Lexus actually did an extensive application/interview process and selected the

exactly, and still there are complains about price from those who can't afford it.

[Them3dude]

The LFA is trulely a amazing car. Lexus doesn't even make a profit from selling that car for that price. That cars rpm gauge is digital becuase a normal analog one can't keep up. But the sad sad thing is your paying for a Lexus. For the same price you can get a ferarri. :/ this car was built just to push the envelope. Period.

[s2k_335i]

Agree with you completely. The Supra is fast and to this day, I dare not to mess with them.

Originally Posted by bruce.augenstein@comcast.

Not even close. A stock 320 HP Supra Turbo would pretty much run with Vettes of that era - on either a track or drag strip.

Nowadays, Supra Turbos are more or less legendary in modified form, making anywhere from 450 HP (pretty much base aftermarket tune) to over 1000 HP.

They say the stock bottom end is good for well over 600 HP with no problems.

There is a joke about them, however.

"What do 400 HP, 700 HP and 1,000 HP Supras have in common?"

"Twelve second time slips."

Traction is a major issue. You'll see them out on the highway, however, running "from a roll" as they say. Deadly out there.

[330CIZHP]

Originally Posted by Them3guy

The LFA is trulely a amazing car. Lexus doesn't even make a profit from selling that car for that price. That cars rpm gauge is digital becuase a normal analog one can't keep up. But the sad sad thing is your paying for a Lexus. For the same price you can get a ferarri. :/ this car was built just to push the envelope. Period.

Some eye and ear candy for people who admire the Lexus LFA.



Car and Driver LFA vs Ferrari 599 GTB w/ $30,000 HGTE handling package (Lexus won its first ever C&D comparo in 20 years)

Race car champion Justin Bell doing a hotlap in LFA at Monticello:

Hollywood celebrity/comedian Adam Carolla drives LFA

Audi R8 V10 vs LFA (LFA won overall)

[VikH]

Got to ride in one at the beginning of the summer:



More videos on the right.