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08-18-2011, 08:10 PM | #67 | |
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I somewhat agree.. in a car crash, the bottom line is I would prefer the car's structure crumbles and flexes around me by absorbing most the impact energy rather than having a rigid body that deforms little, meaning transferring most of the impact energy into ME.
In a car crash, I could careless how much damage my car sustains. There are always more M3s to buy, but I only come with 1 set of body parts, on top of that, only a few can be replaced and/or repaired but without ease. Quote:
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08-18-2011, 08:14 PM | #68 |
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But won't a 1M will beat an M3 in a straight line? Hell, I've run dead even with an E90 M3 up to triple digits in my stock 135. Ill take real world performance and driveability over high rpm antics anyday.
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08-18-2011, 08:20 PM | #69 |
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08-18-2011, 08:38 PM | #70 | |
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My old e46 m3 fit everything from mountain bikes to multiple snowboards all while providing passengers with adequate space, comfort, and safety. IMO the 3 series should never have grown larger or heavier than that chassis.
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08-18-2011, 08:44 PM | #71 |
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i've been saying this for years....as long as americans/the world gets fatter and fatter, car companies will continue to accommodate them. our cars will get bigger just to ppls' fat asses.
hopefully cf tech will trickle down quicker...
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08-18-2011, 08:46 PM | #72 |
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Audi saying next A4 will be 300lb lighter.
GM saying next C7 vette has a target weigft of 3000lb with 5.5 DI v8 on tap with same 440hp. I am a big fan of 1M and next gen 2M - its smaller, lighter and nimbler.. More of a purist car. M3 is more of a GT car these days.. 3800lb car is way too heavy to be called a sports car. |
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08-18-2011, 09:16 PM | #73 | |
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Audi got the A1,A3 etc BMW got the 1 series MB got the b class and a class etc I know my e30 m3 fit 5 people comfortably and had a decent size trunk So what did I gain by going to a e92?
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08-18-2011, 09:54 PM | #74 |
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I don't know if this is BMW's fault... Every other manufacturer making bigger and bigger cars.. If 3 series stayed at the same size, it would sell maybe 20% of what it sold now..
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08-18-2011, 10:30 PM | #75 | |
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I completely agree. I feel that the E39 M5 is the perfect size sedan. It's crazy how my E90 M3 is almost as big in every aspect. Personally, I'd love to be able to buy a new M3 from the dealership that is the size and weight of the E46 with the S65 V8. |
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08-18-2011, 10:40 PM | #76 |
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At the beginning of the 70's this same conversation was happening. The end of horsepower!! OMG, the end of driving fun.
Cars now are more fuel efficient and have way more horsepower. They are also infinitely more safe and reliable. Manufacturers will produce a product that meets the needs of their paying customers. It may take a few years but they will be on track in no time. Same reason they make cars bigger and bigger every year. People fall in love with a car and then ask for more room for the next model. Next model gets bigger. If you don't want a brand new 3 series because it's so big then buy an old one. Or buy a 1 series. Whatever. |
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08-18-2011, 11:45 PM | #77 | |
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08-19-2011, 01:24 AM | #78 |
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The first salvo cracked me up. BMW simply lost its way through the years. Vehicle produced during boom times are typically larger with larger displacement and more horses, as do vehicles produced during recession that are more efficient and lighter in weight. It was all about the muscle cars during the 60-70s but all changed during the oil crisis, at which point Japanese were able to gain a foothold with their more efficient design and started a trend towards smaller cars in the 80s. The original M3 was a superb car because of its light weight, great chasis, and feedback compared to its larger displacement rivals.
BMW got caught up in corporate growth, pumping up revenues, expanding line up to please shareholders and management types and lost what made it great. (Like many others: Toyota, Starbucks...) Pushing more hp out of an engine is a lot easier to researching and discovering new materials or reuse of old material for less weight. It's interesting to point out those companies, like Lotus, who stayed small but remain true to its core values. We will see if BMW is able to return to its true values, not just following the herd because EPA require it to. Car designs follow the economic cycle, though a lagging indicator. In a decade or two we will be back into power wars.
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08-19-2011, 01:25 AM | #79 |
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Good article. I agree we will see more of a focus on light weight vehicles coming soon. It seems like the natural transition at this point
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08-19-2011, 01:36 AM | #80 | |
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It is the Betamax of fuel sources 15yrs we will have a large number of hydrogen powered vehicles on the road. No body looks at the embodied energy of producing the batteries, generating power and lugging extra weight around. And these battery packs only have 10 year life spans!! The sooner the US and UK stop chasing this foolish electric vehicle craze and focus on a commercial solution to hydrogen fuelling, the sooner (the US) will be back to a AAA rated economy! |
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08-19-2011, 08:05 AM | #83 |
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this will be hard to do as what drives up the weight in cars these days is not the engine or the construction materials or the process they employee. its mostly bc of government and automotive regulations that weight goes up. safety features, and more technology in comfort and passenger protection.
Think if we didn't have motorized leather heated/cooled seats? those things weigh a ton on their own. So i don't see weight going down significantly, but there could be methods where we can maintain the current weight or cut it down just a bit. Until carbon fiber production becomes cheaper there won't be cheap solutions to this. The current M3 motor is lighter than the 3.2L i6 it replaced but the car is heavier still. (partially due to the fact that they made it bigger to please the market need for bigger cars and partially b/c of added safety and comfort features).
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The starter of this thread failed to specify that pounds per HP refers to the weight of the driver and passengers. Would you rather have 414hp + 3800lbs (car) + 1000lbs (fat man + wife and 2 fat kids). or 414hp + 3800lbs (car) + 700lbs (trim man + shapely wife and 2 fit kids)? |
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08-19-2011, 09:29 AM | #85 | |
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this type of thread comes up every few months like clockwork, with the same bitching about heavy new BMW cars, yet looking at your profile, a lot of you are the ones financially supporting these heavy cars and thats what BMW bases their priorities on
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08-19-2011, 09:37 AM | #87 |
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Yes and no. What else these people can buy? C63 AMG is not any lighter. RS5 is the same story. They can keep their old cars, but that's highly unlikely.. So BMW know people will buy their cars, since all the other manufacturers are also getting bigger and heavier..
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