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Here's Swamp's simulation data in case you missed it.
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@gbb357 - I got the data, and I have conceded that a 997 TT in the hands of someone who is willing to shift their car like they mean it ought to win reproducibly. I am screwing around with gearing for my own understanding at this point, as to how the scenario happened.
60HP difference on the C4S and the M3 is not going to make up for being in the "wrong" gear. See my response to BMW-M-Mexico below. Re: limiter - Neither did I, but when it nudged over 270 a week or two ago, it nagged at me...like, "Hey, the limiter should have kicked in just there." I did not have more space, and the engine was almost 1000km newer, so I put it in the garage and figured I would find out the top end for sure soon enough. Haven't found it yet. Autobahn from Oberbayern into Munich is three lanes, but it did not free up properly (and a debadged Audi would not get out of the damn way until Holzkirchen (like it was a contest or something...beat those squirrels! faster! faster!)) Three M3s in a row, and a tailgating Italian in an S Klasse Mercedes that showed up late to the party and in a hurry every time we were slowed down.* Fun run. @BMW-M-Mexico Carrera 4S. I tried him first in 5th, and outran him barely after I got to 6th. Dropped it to 4th for the next one. Pulled away more clearly. Then we both eased up and cruised. *it was Italy v- Holland last night, so I can understand. The Biergartens, cafés, and bars are packed for the European Championship. |
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06-10-2008, 10:01 AM | #94 |
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That is my feeling as well, I have driven the 997tt on track and lapped it many, many times with instructor and all as I have my own M3. I have also gone up against a couple of 997tts in my M3 on bends and long, long streights. There is no question about it, the 997tt is faster in every instance. Of course, we were not going over 270kph, but most everywhere I have seen, the 911tt has a top end that is higher than anyone I know has been able to take an M3 to. I remember this Italian who posted a vid that takes him to 325kph on his E92 M3 but we suspected in the same thread that the speedo might have been wrong since technically the M3's top delimited speed should be right about 300kph (186mph).
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You should beat a 911 C4s, your M3 is faster, see here: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-2.html http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=2595 as far as your top end run, take someone with you and video it, that way you have substantiating evidence, it will start building your credibility. but you have to remember, a 911TT is in a different category, 1. it's over a second faster than a 911C4 in the 1/4 mile 2. has a much higher top end also. as far as high speed acceleration, you obviously have not driven a 911 TT, drive one and then tell us your still faster on a high speed run. |
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It's more probable for a C4S to beat an M3 than an M3 to beat a Turbo, reason being it the similar performance between the two. All it would take is a poor shift from the M3 driver and the C4S would be there or there about.
Another problem with racing at up to speeds in access of 170mph on public roads is not everyone will be as committed or foolish as you. Where they may race you up to 130mph their willingness to continue to the max at full trust might not be there. So you may have felt that your M3 was quicker than a 997tt but the reality was that you had just been the more daring. |
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I can't believe Qship is still on this issue
Let me just say that with the same driver in both cars, E92 M3 will have problem outrunning the 996TT, not to mention 997TT. The 996TT has a distinct advantage on in-gear acceleration with its torque, and you have to rev the nuts off the M3 just to keep up in a rolling start. |
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Very likely. Personally, I'd back off at different speeds whenever I deem it's no longer safe depending on traffic and road conditions. |
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06-10-2008, 11:29 AM | #99 |
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+2, I have been beaten once by an Audi S3 and another time, believe it or not, by a small car made by General Motors sold in Mexico called Chevy (smaller than a VW Golf with maybe 100hp). Reason? Well, both were driving RECKLESSLY and I simply let it go!!! The Chevy guy was passing onto oncoming traffic, but he kept going. They must have been very proud of themselves! I don’t bit in those occasions, I know what I have and also know my limits.
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I actually cruise at speeds that are within tolerance if speed limits are posted, and generally maintain more than safe distance. See "Lost Highway" by David Lynch for a little education from Mister Eddie on safe distance when following another car. |
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06-10-2008, 11:16 PM | #104 |
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All I can say is that I have ridden on the Autobahn a few times and it’s hardly ever really safe to go much faster than 220 or maybe 240kph; too much traffic, cars, etc… around. Now, I don’t live in Germany and I certainly only drive there on vacation or whatever about once, maybe twice a year so I am not saying my experience is representative, but it is my experience over several years that I have been there. If there are absolutely no cars around and visibility is adequate (meaning daylight) you may be able to push the car to the very “delimited” limit of around 300kph. Not even then do I feel that its “safe” but at least you will only kill yourself if something goes wrong. So good luck and try to record your next run when the cost is clear.
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My cruising speed is 200-220 in general. It seems to be a good middle ground. Bursts of speed and sustained high speed runs not always possible, but darn fun (and legal!) when traffic conditions are right.
Your eyes get used to fixing as far out as you can see after a while, and watching for telltale signs that occur before someone pulls out without indicating. You start getting an eye for speed differential that when I first moved over was not there. Also, cars always nudge out before changing lanes. I can only guess that this is the head turning to look in the rear view, which moves the shoulders ever so slightly, and it translates to a shift on the grip on the steering wheel. This is generally almost a second before they put on their indicator. When I top it out, I will let you know. The car just sits in the garage most of the time, so be patient. I bike more than I drive. |
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