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The Volt would be well over $60k if it wasn't for our tax dollars subsidising the cost. Should not exist.
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- a car that catches on fire (once) 3-weeks after a side impact crash test because the damaged car was not drained of the massive electrical charge in its battery (as dictated by the manufacturer’s recommendations for storing the car after a crash); or, - a car that has a HPFP die on the highway with 80,000 pound semi's running up it's ass? or, - a car that’s variable ratio steering system runs it into a Jersey barrier in an off ramp? |
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It's been said here earlier. The fact is: These are NOT cheap cars. They are $40K. They are never going to be selling hundreds of thousands of these cars.
Yes, there is a tax credit, but is everyone even eligible for the tax credit? The majority of the time the tax credit goes by how much you earn. If you earn too much, no tax credit. I think I remember Toyota and BMW poking fun at the fact that it's a $40K electric Chevy Cruze. Does Chevy need this car? Oh yeah! Does the US need this car? Oh yeah! Will I buy one? Oh NO! Plain and simply, the vast majority of people buying cars are going from point A to point B and the drive doesn't really mean much to them (look at the top selling cars in the US and you'll agree).
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The same idiots that are wasting their money on the Volt I assume... Be my guest, it doesn't hurt me. Oh wait, my tax dollars are subsidizing it.
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The reason that the Prius succeeded is because it costs 25k and in fact gets over 50 MPG on good old normal gas... Diesels have no chance here in the US due to higher diesel cost, pollution regulations and an overall hate for diesel. The Volt hasn't succeeded because it's a plug-in hybrid that costs $40K and comes from a recently failed company... that's that, there is little else to argue about here. You have to offer people a premium technology at a comparable cost with usability as solid as the previous technology... this is why the Prius has succeeded over and over. I predict Volt production to be done within 6 months and this whole thing written off as a loss. GM needs to focus on smaller, low displacement turbo motors for the future and increasing overall vehicle quality... this will save them, the Volt won't.
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I was never a big fan, so I won't miss it. I'll take my 18-22mpg and be happy.
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Or did we just turn another thread into a non-///M 3er > * thread? And the Volt's a decent car, it just didn't live up to its hype. If they could sell it at a loss, they'd be OK. However, they're GM so they can't. It is what it is. Also, ENINTY made a good point about the HDTVs. The same can be said about a lot of cutting edge tech. If the "suckers" with the big bucks weren't there in the beginning to help the tech through its teething phase, we wouldn't see it in the mainstream. |
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The reasons that GM did not sell the Volt as well as other Hybrid or Electric cars are due to branding and price, since most people think Toyota make better car and Prius is much much less expensive than Volt.
If I want a high mpg car today, I will buy a Prius C.
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Toyota sold the Prius at a loss for the first few years, it just wasn't visible to the consumer as it is with a tax credit for the Volt. Secondly, I can't see how anyone can call the Volt a failure after being on the market as new technology for only 14 months. GM's target was 10,000 cars the first year of production. They sold just over 7,800 cars (1,800 units more than the Prius in its first year on sale). That is hardly a failure. And the sales were made as gas prices were decreasing (until late in the year). Wait until gas goes to $5.00 a gallon this summer. Let's see what Volt sales do then. These are rounded Prius sales numbers, by year from the hybrid cars website: 2000 – 6,000 2001 – 16,000 2002 – 20,000 And keep in mind that in 2000 we were in the middle of a oil war in the Middle East where no one knew what the price of gas was going to be. And the prius was way over-priced as compared to an equivalent Toyota Turcel (or whatever their econ-car was at the time). So a lot of this discussion is plain-old GM bashing, by people without facts or historical perspective. |
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All this is very apparent from your behavior in this thread and others responding to you. |
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Is the Volt the perfect car? No. Does it make sense in the right circumstances and worth consideration? Yes. Cheers. |
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Really. Nothing you said in your initial post was remotely factual and was conjecture on your part. I stand by my original assessment.
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