Why is BMW missing from this list?

cheapa55 · 06-25-2008, 05:21 PM

Forbes.com List of Highest Quality Luxury Cars

Even with maintenance included, it still doesn't make the list. What gives?

Samplemaven · 06-25-2008, 05:26 PM

I think anyone not familiar with Idrive may consider it a negative when only driving a car with this feature for only a short time. I do not agree with Idrive as being a negative.

cheapa55 · 06-25-2008, 05:27 PM

I'm very happy with my wife's e60, only problem is the cup holder. iDrive is not an issue either for me.

PaulBailey@ltbmw · 06-25-2008, 05:27 PM

damn that is awful.
I wouldn't consider driving in some of those cars let alone owning one

vinlikesred · 06-25-2008, 05:32 PM

cuz it's the list of "highest quality" "luxury" cars. bmw is neither "higest quality" nor "luxury". i think bmw falls under "highest performing" and probably the only one on the list among the mass-producing company... maybe porsche would make it in the list too. (excluding bootique manufacturers, like ferrari, bugatti, etc...)

cheapa55 · 06-25-2008, 05:41 PM

But e-class, m, a6 all made it. how about 5er? I would understand the 3-series not making the list because of the "class", but 5er didn't make it? I think i should have posted this on e60.

AJerman · 06-25-2008, 05:51 PM

BMW isn't particularly high quality, that's why. Look at all the problems people deal with on these boards.

Now, I don't know comparatively with other cars that are or aren't on the list, but I certainly don't consider BMW to be one of the highest quality cars. Best cars, yes, quality, no.

calleballe · 06-25-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AJerman

BMW isn't particularly high quality, that's why. Look at all the problems people deal with on these boards.

Now, I don't know comparatively with other cars that are or aren't on the list, but I certainly don't consider BMW to be one of the highest quality cars. Best cars, yes, quality, no.

+1, BMW is not a quality brand. They struggle with durability, service and reliability. (they make nice to drive performance cars, but that is different from quality)

silversurfer · 06-25-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cheapa55

But e-class, m, a6 all made it. how about 5er? I would understand the 3-series not making the list because of the "class", but 5er didn't make it? I think i should have posted this on e60.

5s and 7s are even less reliable than the 3s (just read the 5 and 7 forums on here and bimmerfest). I equate BMW=ultimate driving machine but quality definitely doesn't come to mind.

Craigito · 06-25-2008, 08:26 PM

We'll my 2000 Audi A4 is more luxurious than my 335i, but hit the gas and you realize while one is the ultimate driving machine and the other is not

. Who cares about all these reviews anyways...if you love what you drive that's all the matters. Besides, these things just turn you into a fanboy anyways.

cheapa55 · 06-25-2008, 10:06 PM

Just wondering what these reporters are smoking. Or just getting paid well by someone else other than Forbes.com. Seriously A6 has terrible reliability issues as well.

galahad05 · 06-25-2008, 10:11 PM

Regarding "BMW not reliable"...

According to various statistics I've seen--some of those initial quality things as well as the Consumer Reports statistical results, the 3 series is above average in reliability. Barely, but nevertheless still above average.

And here's the kicker: Mercedes Benz hasn't made a reliable car model this decade. At least as far as I can tell. For certain MB has been less reliable than BMW overall.

Dark_Sub_Rosa · 06-25-2008, 10:20 PM

That's why you buy new or lease and when warranty is gone you sell.

AJerman · 06-25-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark_Sub_Rosa

That's why you buy new or lease and when warranty is gone you sell.

+1

I don't think I'd want a BMW out of warranty. Even if they only had a few issues, the issues are so expensive to fix. I can work on my own cars, but with newer cars, especially something like a BMW, almost nothing is a quick and cheap fix.

STi2Three35i · 06-26-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by calleballe

+1, BMW is not a quality brand. They struggle with durability, service and reliability. (they make nice to drive performance cars, but that is different from quality)

What are you talking about? BMW isn't reliable? Doesn't have quality service?
Why are you on this site then?

BMW is known for quality, if you own a BMW go open the door and then shut it. Hear that!? yeah that sound you just heard says quality. I bet the Mercury Grand Marquis is alot better quality than BMW's, oh yeah. That was probably the stupidest statement you could have made... you should probably find a dark dusty corner crawl into it and stay there till you realized what you did wrong. Better yet, just crawl into an attic and dont come out

STi2Three35i · 06-26-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by silversurfer

5s and 7s are even less reliable than the 3s (just read the 5 and 7 forums on here and bimmerfest). I equate BMW=ultimate driving machine but quality definitely doesn't come to mind.

Get outta here , you guys are pathetic. Quality doesnt come in mind, you are totally right... BMW...quality? Nahh their cheaply made.

I dont even know why some of you guys who say BMW doesnt have quality buy them

TheAcAvenger · 06-26-2008, 09:16 AM

I'm sure the 5ers recent crash test misery had something to do with it as well.

chuck92103 · 06-26-2008, 09:37 AM

Not sure why BMW is not there. But their list does not jive with this one.

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...tings-by-brand

lib · 06-26-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chuck92103

Not sure why BMW is not there. But their list does not jive with this one.

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...tings-by-brand

Sort by best in each category...

That list has Buick at the top of everything; Overall Dependability, Powertrain Dependability, Body & Interior Dependability, Features & Accessories Dependability. Way back when, before I was born, Buick made great cars. That's FAR from the case today.

Since the first list also had the Grand Marquis in the running for highest quality luxury car I think I'll just disregard both lists.

Hawkeye · 06-26-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by lib

Sort by best in each category...

That list has Buick at the top of everything; Overall Dependability, Powertrain Dependability, Body & Interior Dependability, Features & Accessories Dependability. Way back when, before I was born, Buick made great cars. That's FAR from the case today.

Since the first list also had the Grand Marquis in the running for highest quality luxury car I think I'll just disregard both lists.

Buick makes great cars right now.. I don't know where you are getting your presumptions from. They just aren't 'cool' cars.

Back when I was born Ford made great cars... wish that was still the case today.

mPlasticDesign · 06-26-2008, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Buick makes great cars right now.. I don't know where you are getting your presumptions from. They just aren't 'cool' cars.

Back when I was born Ford made great cars... wish that was still the case today.

Don't get down, Ford actually is doing much better than you think.
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/LifeS...C-RSSFeeds0312

que2k · 06-26-2008, 02:42 PM

The survey is only for the first 90 days of ownership.............doesn't mean anything most people keep their cars longer than 90 days

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cheapa55 Lieutenant 28 Rep 495 Posts Drives: '07 e92 TiAg Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Central CA iTrader: (1)	Why is BMW missing from this list? Forbes.com List of Highest Quality Luxury Cars Even with maintenance included, it still doesn't make the list. What gives?
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Samplemaven New Member 0 Rep 6 Posts Drives: 2007 550i Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ringgold, GA iTrader: (0)	I think anyone not familiar with Idrive may consider it a negative when only driving a car with this feature for only a short time. I do not agree with Idrive as being a negative.
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cheapa55 Lieutenant 28 Rep 495 Posts Drives: '07 e92 TiAg Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Central CA iTrader: (1)	I'm very happy with my wife's e60, only problem is the cup holder. iDrive is not an issue either for me.
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vinlikesred Private First Class 47 Rep 168 Posts Drives: 335i '08 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: usa iTrader: (0)	cuz it's the list of "highest quality" "luxury" cars. bmw is neither "higest quality" nor "luxury". i think bmw falls under "highest performing" and probably the only one on the list among the mass-producing company... maybe porsche would make it in the list too. (excluding bootique manufacturers, like ferrari, bugatti, etc...) Last edited by vinlikesred; 06-25-2008 at 05:51 PM..
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cheapa55 Lieutenant 28 Rep 495 Posts Drives: '07 e92 TiAg Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Central CA iTrader: (1)	But e-class, m, a6 all made it. how about 5er? I would understand the 3-series not making the list because of the "class", but 5er didn't make it? I think i should have posted this on e60.
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AJerman Major 29 Rep 1,381 Posts Drives: '08 335i Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wake Forest, NC iTrader: (0)	BMW isn't particularly high quality, that's why. Look at all the problems people deal with on these boards. Now, I don't know comparatively with other cars that are or aren't on the list, but I certainly don't consider BMW to be one of the highest quality cars. Best cars, yes, quality, no. __________________ 2008 BMW 335i: Jet Black, Jade Gray, Gray Poplar, 6MT - Stock... for now.
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cheapa55 Lieutenant 28 Rep 495 Posts Drives: '07 e92 TiAg Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Central CA iTrader: (1)	Just wondering what these reporters are smoking. Or just getting paid well by someone else other than Forbes.com. Seriously A6 has terrible reliability issues as well.
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galahad05 Brigadier General 158 Rep 3,158 Posts Drives: '07 335i e90 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Long Island NY iTrader: (0)	Regarding "BMW not reliable"... According to various statistics I've seen--some of those initial quality things as well as the Consumer Reports statistical results, the 3 series is above average in reliability. Barely, but nevertheless still above average. And here's the kicker: Mercedes Benz hasn't made a reliable car model this decade. At least as far as I can tell. For certain MB has been less reliable than BMW overall. __________________ Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. --Mark Twain
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chuck92103 Major 91 Rep 1,209 Posts Drives: 2011 535i Join Date: May 2008 Location: Socal iTrader: (0)	Not sure why BMW is not there. But their list does not jive with this one. http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings...tings-by-brand __________________ 2011 535i 2008 VW GTI
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que2k Second Lieutenant 16 Rep 258 Posts Drives: 335xi Sedan Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver iTrader: (0)	The survey is only for the first 90 days of ownership.............doesn't mean anything most people keep their cars longer than 90 days __________________ "Her name is Naomi, that's I moan backwards"
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