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They basically did 4 things :
1) AWD : so it won't slip much off the line 2) Ridiculously short gearing : so it has insane wheel torque 3) Quick transmission : so it can do all the gear changes needed to flip through all those short gears, quickly. 4) Racing tyres with a DOT legal tread pattern, so it grips like a race car. It also means that the car falls on its face over 100mph or so, as the gearing can no longer make up for the relatively paltry HP and high mass. But that's OK for a DD because you don't go that fast. And it's ok for a track car because on most tracks you'll run out of space and have to brake before you go over 130 or so. What hurts fun in the GTR is really the lack of a manual transmission. Otherwise, it rides brilliantly. Super planted. (none of that C6 wobble wobble wobble) Punches so hard crap will fly into the back seat if it's loose. Grips so hard that [up to about 40 or 50, warm weather] you can enter fairly tight right-angle turns at the speed limit and without leaving the proper lane at any point throughout the turn. You have to flip the traction control at least to the 'R' setting if you want to slide it around. 'R' will already spin the car 180 if you punch it in a hard turn, so 'off' isn't even all that necessary. The car really is very stable and composed. It takes a lot more to upset it and make things scary. The typical saying on NAGTROC goes : "if the ride is boring, you're not pushing it hard enough." But the flappy paddles just kill it. I don't care how fast it is, no stick = sad panda. If you like DCT [and you do not require luxo-barge-seating], you'll probably be perfectly happy in a gtr. -scheherazade |
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I don't care what anyone says about "driving pleasure" going around corners that fast in a car with that much grip exerting that much force has got to be a blast.
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Most those that say GTR isn't exciting to drive can't drive...
Accessport on the car, and a midpipe... turn off traction control, and drifting around corners is as fun and intoxicating as any car on the planet. The person who wrote doesn't accelerate after a hundred? Maybe you haven't gone that fast before... 6th gear is not an overdrive in the GTR... 75 or 80 is 3,000 rpm in 6th... the car keeps on pulling and doesn't stop... to well past 170+ Important thing in GTR, is if you really want to enjoy the car, and 'be a driver' you're going to have to drive with VDC off... and I'm guessing most on here don't even drive with DSC off. Lastly... the DCT to Manual... I'll forever find it funny, to hear a BMW driver praise a BMW manual transmission... they have got to be the absolute biggest POS of any/all manuals I've ever driven! To put down the DCT BMW offers is pure ignorance... the DCT offered by BMW is one of the best. To each his/her own I guess. Dave
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Given a choice to own ANY GTR over an E90 M3, I would choose the M hands down, and here is why. What the Fanboys over at top gear have failed to tell us is just how bad the GTR's transmission is. All the Pre-2012 tranny's were absolute shit! Oh, and I'm not talking about owners breaking their transmissions doing launch control either. I'm talking about failing on the track, and failing, just driving down the street in one that has never been tracked with less than 10K miles. Honestly the WORST transmission reliability of any car EVER. Notice how they mentioned that the 2012, has a "New transmission" entirely? It's not because of the minor bump in power, I assure you. It remains to be seen if this new one is just a piece of crap like all the others. Doubt me? well take a look at this section of their forums, and please, start from the beginning:
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Haha...that's exactly what I was thinking. I try to stay open minded about cars in general. I love this forum, but on every brand forum there frequently is a sense of denial/defensiveness whenever any other car dares to compare, even if it's better on most levels. There is always some excuse why the car is still a better choice and try to point out flaws with the other car. For the M3, if the compared car outperforms they say the M is a more practical, has better "balance," or that they love the high reving engine. If it's slower, then it's all about "I love my M" and it will destroy all cars in sight. I think it's human nature to defend what you spend your hard earned $$ on. Also, automotive enthusiasts are often competitive with big egos, taking great pride in the cars they drive and their rational for choosing such a car. I'm guilty of some of these things myself. BMW makes amazing cars and it's still my top brand overall, but it can't be numero uno in everything.
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It's also very weird how when you look into the Transmission section of a forum you find that there's problems. Very strange indeed. Especially when 90% of the cars there run 10's in the 1/4 & run circles around nearly ANY M3. Ooh what's this? http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231020 or this http://www.m3post.com/forums/search....rchid=18021073 Last edited by ScotyH; 07-31-2011 at 02:52 PM.. |
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The GTR is no doubt a beast in performance. I just hope the designers start wearing their glasses so they can see how ugly it look from the front and redesign it.
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http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-...04_2285345.htm Note how he says its an "all new DCT transmission for the 2012" Quote:
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http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...ht=dct+failure http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...ht=dct+failure http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...ht=dct+failure PS: My M3 was in the shop for a multisystem failure/limp mode during the first month with less than a 500 miles. They had to replace the junction box. It's had several other issues as well. Last edited by erio; 07-31-2011 at 06:27 PM.. |
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The only thing new is TCM programming for launch control. I usually don't flap my gums about something I'm uncertain about. I don't like looking foolish. There's tons of failures with BMW's too, My M3 was in no less than 5 times to fix CEL than came on at about 70km. No mods, no abuse, NO EXCUSE. |
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You need to do better than that. The transmission in the GTR is pretty nice. I could wade through M forums and find common problems that blown way out of proportion.
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I seriously doubt that is a stock GTR. I'm 100% certain it was overboosted by nissan before given to TG. As was the case with the McLaren MP4-12c. Since millions of people around the world watch TG, the power lap times have become like the bible of car performance. So why wouldn't any manufacturer with a FI car, not tweak it for more power????
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On my first test drive of an Evo VIII, on the first corner as we exited the dealer's lot, I had the car in a beautiful 4 wheel drift. My wife shot me this incredibly admiring and incredulous glance. I could have taken the credit, but that wasn't me by any shot - it was the clever AWD doing the heavy lifting, and I was just there for the ride. It was the same thing all over in the GT-R, just happening at a higher rate of speed. To be totally honest I get more thrills out of driving my 93 Miata on the same fast & winding roads. I just sneak out of the house at night, drop the top and terrorize the night insects with my 100BHP monster lol. Quote:
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Uggh. You have no idea what you're talking about .
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