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      03-22-2016, 11:12 PM   #1
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2013 e92 M3 - vehicle history - indication of more issues to come?

Hi guys,

I'm looking to buy a 2013 e92 M3 from an individual from Quebec, Canada.
I have received the full BMW service history form the owner, and I'd like to ask if you think any of these are a potential sign for trouble.

I don't see any major issues with the vehicle, but too many minor stuff here and there.

The service history from BMW(BMW Canbec) was provided in French, so I had to do the translation. I couldn't really translate one or two items, so I've just copy and pasted the line I got from Google



Please have a look and let me know if you guys feel I should forgo this vehicle for any reason.

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----------------BMW Service History------------
Apr 29, 2013
complete license plate holes covered before sending by fred

May 21, 2013
2000km Inspection. replace transmission and differential fluid.
-> 200km inspection done. Replace engine oil and filter, transmission and differential oil.

Oct 16, 2013
witness "check engine" light. DSC and FTM malfunction
-> Verified complaint and scanned car. Only fault was Idle Air Control Valve fault 8 times followed test plan and removed intake to inspect checked power supply to motor ok and lines from dDME to value ok. As per tester replaced valve removed wire harness to access value and replace retired and tested. Now OK.

Feb 4, 2014
Issues with vehicle paint. Paint stain around the vehicle
-> Vehicle Polished

Feb 18, 2014
Repair vehicle body damage. Customer mentions that the damage did not exist when deposited the vehicle.
-> Done

May 06, 2014
Front Right Tire Blowout.
-> tire Replaced
Low Mileage Oil Service
-> done

Aug 11, 2014
VIS Avant Passager
-> Enlevere VIS

Dec 16, 2014
Vehicle Under Cover - Front End is broken.
-> replaced
Fender cover on the right front end is broken.
-> replaced
Replaced 4 tires
Adjust levels of all fluids.
Engine Under Cover is broken.
-> Engine Under Cover replaced

March 05, 2015
Winter Kit Installed

Apr 23, 2015
noise coming from underneath the vehicle at takeoff and 1-2-3 grinding noise
-> Issue identified. Rear Subframe replaced.

Dec 11, 2015
Seat Position Sensor Malfunction.
-> Sit position sensor replaced.
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      03-23-2016, 08:32 AM   #2
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The rear subframe is a strange one.

Other than that, be careful of Quebec cars. Almost every single one I've seen is beat up, it seems as if those people just don't give a shit about their cars over there
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      03-23-2016, 08:51 AM   #3
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Dang this car is jinxed. Stay away.
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      03-23-2016, 08:51 AM   #4
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I'm aware of the issues with Quebec vehicles, so I tend to stay away from them. However, above records are straight from BMW dealership, so I want to give this one a shot.

Most of the service history is minor, but as you mentioned, rear subframe issue is very strange and something that I'm not too familiar with as well.

Any other feedbacks would be much appreciated
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      03-23-2016, 09:16 AM   #5
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If it still has warranty and you plan on getting extended warranty why not? Sub frame is weird. I would ask the owner if he tracked it or pushed it hard and go from their. Everything else is minor. I've had to bring my M3 within 4 months of ownership to the service center dealer like 6 times not because of it being bad, but the service center replaced parts that didn't fix the issue but eventually did. Not really complaining because I got a new air intake for free out of it.
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      03-23-2016, 10:40 AM   #6
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Subframe stuff is troubling (was the guy drag racing this car?)....and the entry below is also worrisome. What does the CarFax say (if they have that in Canada)? Personally... just based on the info you put in your original post I would pass on this car.

Dec 16, 2014
Vehicle Under Cover - Front End is broken.
-> replaced
Fender cover on the right front end is broken.
-> replaced
Replaced 4 tires
Adjust levels of all fluids.
Engine Under Cover is broken.
-> Engine Under Cover replaced
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      03-23-2016, 11:49 AM   #7
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Walk away...no ...RUN!

Best bet would be to get the Carly OBD2 reader tool, that almost everyone on here has.
OBD2 adapters will be in stock ( amazon ) by the end of march 2016.

Not that you can read & clear check engine lights that ocassionally tend to pop up, you can even code with it along with...(childsplay)
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      03-23-2016, 11:55 AM   #8
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aren't the undercovers the felt things underneath the car that we all have to replace every other year or so
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      03-23-2016, 12:00 PM   #9
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Cautious of translations in Quebec. Quite the list of issues, I've got a 2010 e92 M3 still and no problems noted other than the general wear and tear. Potentially the vehicle was tracked, or used in Baja off-roading.
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      03-23-2016, 12:35 PM   #10
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After a second look, you should probably not get it. Wait for the perfect one. Pays off in the end, trust me.
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I don't see anything too out of the ordinary other than the subframe. But it was changed at the dealer so I'm sure it's fine.

Mine had its transmission and differential replaced under warranty prior to me owning it. Didn't scare me away. I saw it as a bonus.

Also, my car is originally from Quebec and is in excellent shape. So, totally depends who owned it.

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I don't see anything too out of the ordinary other than the subframe. But it was changed at the dealer so I'm sure it's fine.

Mine had its transmission and differential replaced under warranty prior to me owning it. Didn't scare me away. I saw it as a bonus.

Also, my car is originally from Quebec and is in excellent shape. So, totally depends who owned it.
6spd or DCT?
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6spd or DCT?
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That rear sub frame sounds like a ground clearance issue. Most cars can clear large road debris but not an M3 especially with ZCP. The felt bottom covers catch most of the hell but large stuff can reek havoc further back.
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Interesting, mine was replaced around 19k mi according to service records. Obviously didn't stop me from buying the car either. I'd have to check the records, but I think it had something to do with vibration in the input shaft or something like that. Do you know why yours was replaced?
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      03-23-2016, 03:19 PM   #16
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Thanks so much for your input guys.
I'm currently on the fence of running away from the vehicle or asking for PPI + offer. Hope to see some more feedback to help me with the decision.
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bump Just to see additional opionions
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      03-25-2016, 11:38 AM   #18
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Interesting, mine was replaced around 19k mi according to service records. Obviously didn't stop me from buying the car either. I'd have to check the records, but I think it had something to do with vibration in the input shaft or something like that. Do you know why yours was replaced?
Mine was apparently replaced due to "an unpleasant noise in 6th gear"
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The rear subframe has rubber bushings, it's possible there was one that prematurely went bad
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      03-25-2016, 12:44 PM   #20
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Subframe replacement is the first I have heard of yet... Although BMW dealerships love to replace shit that isn't really broken through the warranty period cause Daddy BMWNA pays for it...
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