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Carrera and Carerra (S) 911's are nothing special. Been there, done that. GT versioned 911's......whole different ballgame. Oh yeah, I live in a trailer and am on food stamps and can't drive for sh!t. Oh well, at least Obama loves me. |
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10-22-2012, 10:46 AM | #47 | |
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Hmmm....I don't think "cede" means what you think it means. It definitely is not the same as "concede" |
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10-22-2012, 10:56 AM | #48 | |
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LOL!! like your sarcasm! |
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10-22-2012, 12:33 PM | #52 | |
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Are you really trying to say the M3 has better brakes and steering feel than a 997? Completely false and you know it. Not a single person whos ever driven or owned them would agree on either of those let alone the rest. And performance on a 997.1 vs M3 is a driver's race, with a 997.2S the S is much faster on and off the track. Maybe one of the most hyperbolic statements ever made... |
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10-22-2012, 01:28 PM | #53 | |
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Please pay attention.....where did I EVER mention which one was faster? |
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10-22-2012, 01:41 PM | #54 | |
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It is very true that the 997.2 C2S (cannot speak of earlier gen.) has a floaty steering feel above 80-90mph. It is better in the GT3RS. If you add cannards it improves even more. The new 991 C2S seems better in that sense. I had only a testdrive and did not drive the old 997.2 at the same time but the front end felt more planted. On the other hand the steering did not feel as communicative as my RS. I actually liked that since for DD I need a more GTish car. Would like to replace the M3 with the C4S just because it would be something different, something new, on the other hand I am not convinced that the new C4S is better than my current M3 for DD (with kids etc) May just hold out for the new turbo. I really cannot make up my mind. I even thought about the Panamera for DD. |
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10-22-2012, 02:12 PM | #55 | |
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Sounds like you can't go wrong with your upcoming decision. Nice "problem" to have. I just could not make any of my 911's work from a DD standpoint for a number of reasons. Unfortunately, I was not in a position to hold on to the 997TT as purely a weekend car. |
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10-22-2012, 02:14 PM | #56 | |
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As far as faster, when you say performance I think being faster falls into that category... I like being able to feel the road. I like that the steering is precise to the point that if I ran over a penny in my previous Porsches, or the 997S' Ive driven (and even more so in GTx's) I could tell you exactly what part of Lincoln's head I just ran over. Porsche's have undeniably (and virtually unanimously) the best steering in the car industry...and would include Lotus in that category as well. I think the M3s steering is very good, but have never liked the overboosted and articifial feel you get especially at lower speeds. Other than that, its good, and accurate but wouldnt say it has 911/Cayman/Boxster levels of tactile feel/weighting, precision or accuracy. |
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I will definitely have a 911 Turbo in my garage one day. The reason why the M3 came first:
- $ - Sound. No contest IMO - Revving to 8400 RPM. - Ease of maintenance on FR vs RR engine. Think about changing the spark plugs between the 2 engines... - Maintenance cost. - I don't trust DI IMHO, it's just not practical to work on a 911, especially if you don't have a lift. As I said, I'm only interested in the Turbos, so that's even less room. Saw that you have to take the rear bumper and spoiler along with other things to just change the air filter on a 991 CS. I don't have the patience for that kind of shenanigans The S65 has won the 4 liter category in the Engine of the Year award every single year since it has been out. Especially considering the prices of used E9x M3's, I'd consider it a bargain!! So my list goes: E30 + E92 M3 --> Add some type of diesel car --> Add 997.1 Turbo 6MT in distant future when I can reasonably afford maintaining that car and when I have a lift. And they lived happily ever after.
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I just traded in my 997.2 carrera s for a 2010 gt3 and still have my m3. I can agree with most of the points made by brosef an alms. The s65 engine is truly one of a kind and if Porsche does make a better double clutch transmission, It's certainly not in the 997 models. The 991 may come close, but still not as responsive and quick as the m3'a dct. There are however a few things that lured me away from bmw to Porsche. Mainly the overall sporty, small, light feel of Pcars. I also really despised the seats in the m3, I could not get it to sit as low as I wanted. I always felt I was sitting on a thrown in the m3 and that really bothered me. If the e92 weighed about 200-300 pounds lighter and had proper seats it would be the perfect car, price aside, almost nothing would touch it. IMO.
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I tried to keep this an engine comparison and away from the 991 but did anyone see this? It is Porsche specific at least. New 991 OMG!
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Agreed. how high the benchmark is in the 991, the GT3 should be something else, and then some. Cant wait to see PDK in this car too. |
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