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For a nice car in FM4, I use RWD, mid engine, centrifugal s/c if possible. Unless you're doing F Class. Then by all means use a Chevy Spark. For S Class (GTR) I use the Lotus 2-11 or Rossion Q1, full adjustable aero. In R3 I don't really use anything, in R2 I use the Furai with TPR setup, in R1/X I use the 787b and R18. #iplaytoomuchforza |
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Love the M3, ive owned them for the last 14 years, but yall are a bunch of fanbois. Just bought a used GT-R and if put another 30k into it (still wouldn't approach 100k) id blast every M3 on the planet. Not that im going to, but that would be the result.
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The vid is pretty bad as my passenger (some random girl at the event) held the camera straight ahead for some reason until we crossed the finish line - and then she panned over to where the GTR was at. I haven't bothered to post it on YouTube because it's a crappy vid but am happy to do it.
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11-04-2013, 11:05 AM | #116 | |
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What was your wheel hp in that video against the GTR and when your raced the GTR with chip/midpipe? I'd bet a 600 hp GTR would beat an actual 625 hp M3 in a rolling race under most circumstances, due to broader power band and higher torque as I mentioned.
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No need for a broader power band when you are rolling because you can start at high rpm and shift at redline. The M3 is constantly above 6k rpm at each shift even with a manual transmission. No need to be at low rpm where low end torque is needed. But broader powerband and AWD is great for starting from a stop.
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I used to own Evos and off the line with launch control you'd jump about anything but at higher speeds even with the same HP, RWD cars start pulling harder.
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I agree but the dyno was done in ideal conditions at STD on a dynojet. SAE would have been 540-560. Plus elevation at this dyno was like 100 feet. At the Shift-S3ctor event, the runs were done in the heat of the day and at altitude. I would have been making perhaps 525 RWHP SAE because the S/C can't compensate for DA's like a turbo car can. So 525 RWHP SAE is probably more like 625 crank.
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Like UnaBomber, I also have a GTR. I drive an e93 M3 DCT as well. Minor mods will make a GTR even more of a monster than it is stock. People are scared shitless when taken for a ride in my mildly modded GTR. For the 15K one would spend on a supercharger for the M3, you could make your GTR into a 9 second car that is very civilized. But they are VERY different cars, who just happen to both be liked by car people. Equally great cars. Anybody getting a chance to own one should definitely allow surgical removal of a left nut to make it happen Regards, Justin Wade |
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4WD is just lame. The M3 is not about drag racing. It's about handling and having fun, and RWD is 10x more fun than 4WD when it comes to that- especially in the M3.
Plus the fact that at one time Nissan was voiding warranties if customers turned off their traction control just shows how "beastly" Nissan thinks GTR transmissions are. http://jalopnik.com/5565919/this-is-...ty-settlement/ I would never consider owning that car.
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Huh? GTR transmissions a pretty robust pieces of equipment. That warranty "issue" is in the distant past when a few people beat the crap out of their cars. 2012 and beyond have LC. I have owned an '09, '12, and '13 and never had one problem with any of them after 55000+ miles combined.
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I'm sure a lot of people beat the crap out of their M3s but BMW never had a policy of voiding their warranties when they found out they turned off their DSC. The whole warranty issue just wouldn't sit well with me if I ever had interest in purchasing a GTR.
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Even in a RWD M3, they won't let you do launch control on a DCT car multiple times in a row. If BMW allowed it, there will be a lot of broken transmissions.
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I don't disagree that Nissan handled it poorly but most transmission failures were abused. Nissan should never of had the LC ability in the 2009 and things would have been fine.
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The problem was that LC1, the original launch control program revved to 4700 rpms. After about 20 launches, the trany was toast! After the problems, all the 09s (many of which hadn't been sold yet) were reprogramed with LC2, which only revved to 3000 rpms. This caused much less stress on the trany and solved the problems. I believe there all the way up to LC5 now(back up around 4K rpms), but I could be wrong about that.
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