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If someone let me choose of course I would take the R8 V8 but not if I had to pay new or used. Something about paying for a 100k car (even if used still pricey) to know it performs the same as a 60k m3 regardless of how much I like the feel. M3 with a nice xpipe and exhaust sounds better than the audi to me as well. To be clear it does not look as good and I love the driving position and experience as it feels like a supercar but unless the car has supercar performance I just think its a bit silly, atleast to me. Really has been deemed as a disapointment by most in terms of performance which is why the v10 was so welcomed. And yes I have driven one for 2 weeks at one point |
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At the end of the day these are two great cars and it is up to the individual and what they are looking for when buying either. Racing stop light to stop light, who has more horsepower, or who has faster 0-60 times has no importance in my life whatsoever. I know there will always be someone out there with a faster car than me, so the R8 is perfect for what I was looking for. |
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It really should be no surprises that the m3 beats the R8, especially the Dct m3 given they are virtually the same weight. Same hp (m3 puts down more to the wheels consistently) and if the DCt is present than the tranny is way better.
The R8 just looks faster lol and looks like a lambo or supercar but when you break it down not so much. I think audi really missed the mark with weight though. Has an all aluminum frame and it was a build from the ground up for their supercar and still ways 3500 pounds for the v8. Really given how a vette weighs 3100, there is no reason a bespoke supercar from audi made of aluminum could not be in the 3200-3300 range at the most |
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If the M3 is so much better than why does the R8 start at twice as much. R8 is a beautiful car. You could take a VT3 M3 and race a twin turbo R8 V10. Both cars would be as fast as they can be made. I would take R8.
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Honestly i didnt read everything but some from page 1 and I have to say... it is all about the driver... When I go to track days I often see good drivers in the s2000, evo, sti, e46 m3 that are tearing everything up. When I see people on there with their ferrari, maserati, and "some" porsches theyre always spinning out in beginner groups etc. Sadly most super cars are built and bought for the "I have money" factor. Rarely do you see good drivers in their ferraris etc. (I do see a lot of good porsche drivers on the track) My last track day a Maserati spun out in front of me on a straight and almost hit me == I am not saying there arent any but I really respect those that do drive it like how it was made to be driven. Offtopic rant: Those who buy super cars/sports cars and dont track them but only whine about how stiff the ride is should all just stfu and buy a bentley or a 550 or 335 or e550 etc... stop buying those AMG and M cars... I went to a dealership before and this Chinese lady in her 50s was arguing about her suspension being broken in her M6 because her daughter's 335 rides better.
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don't know about stupid drag racing but here's a video of me chasing, finally catching and passing a V10 R8
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And the guy that said the m3 has gotten so fat makes no sense. The e46 weighed 150 pounds less. People have weighed their e92's and have consistently came in at 3550-3600. e46's came in at 3400-3450 when owners weight them. I hardly think 150 pounds, the size of one small driver is drastically getting fatter. Compared to all the cars out there, the e92 m3 at 3600 pounds is still lighter than everything except the exotics and a vette . |
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Here is a great thread where 5 guys weighed their e46 m3's. The lightest stripper m3 was 3400. Rest were in the 3450 and above.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e90...ht-e46-m3.html Compare to the "fat" e92 m3 that weighs 3520-3600 depending on how much fuel was used in the particular thread but there are many out there online. So 100-125 pounds if that heavier and that is for the DCt. Manual weighs 46 pounds less than the dct even which the 3520 pound car which was by member swamp was a dct Funny how much in their heads it is for people thinking the m3 was so light and small last generation and the e92 is some heavy tank. For the size, the full list of options and the safety stuff, 3550 is really quite light. considering ferrari's, lambos and the like are now 3400 plus pounds |
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Oh and by the way stop making yourself look like a genius. On another thread you said that ones dyno results were bad because they had poor compression. When actually his car was fine, it just wasn't revved to redline. |
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Now THAT is what I'm talking about Real men don't measure the size of their wanker by who wins the stop light race or whose engine makes the most HP... they take it to the track and duke it out there
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As I said it certainly explains a decent markup over the m3 but at double the price point I think the exclusivity must include more than the look of the car with zero performance benefit. This is subjective but the bottom line is the r8 is pricier not because its a better car but rather a more exclusive car.
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100 pounds is simply not going to matter when the mass is spread out throughout the car. Especially considering the e92 has 19 inch wheels, is bigger dimensions and has a lot more technology-you can see they really did cut weight in a lot of areas to stay within this 3550 range. Its all in peoples heads when they get stuck on the e46 m3 being some feather light and "more nimble" and more track worthy because its lighter. The facts speak for themselves. The e46 m3 is not any perceptable degree lighter than the e92 and can be matched by emptying or filling the gas tank or not having 1 passenger. |
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Well in reality the R8 V8 is a well-considered a poor mans R8 and a disapointment in performance from any enthusiast familiar.
I personally don't like to own the botton model of any car but more power to you. More show than go is something everyone I have heard talk about the v8 and why audi quickly put a v10 in the car to actually make it perform as well as it looks. You bought yours used and the used market is a different market in terms of pricing, exclusivity etc so this really only applies to new car buyers |
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