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btw u gotta do us all a favor and hit the track to show everyone what a real supercharged s65 can do, i was on *********** and saw the thread on one of them running a 11.9@119...
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Glad to hear everyones happy with these results.
Glad to see James posted these results too, shows some real life action. James, I Emailed you back, we been super swamped... for the rest, if you need a tune, we can set up a group buy if you'd like. If you guys can get 5+ people together, we can get a pretty sweet deal! This isnt a sale thread, so I dont want to get into detail, but feel free to PM with any questions! If your in Poughkeepsie, NY, I got a tuner out there, if you're local, we got the home of OE, if you're any where else, we'll take care of you!!! Dont forget, my prices will be the lowest of all! Including direct OE. |
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Has anyone done 3rd party testing on these tunes?
Altering roller weights in between runs is an easy way to show gains, the average customer wouldn't know what you're doing with the dyno software either. I know first hand b/c I've done this before at an old job I was at for in-house products they were selling. If someone has the flashing unit and would like some 3rd party testing I have a dyno location(dynojet) where we can test at. We'll leave the car strapped on the dyno to lower the amount of variables/inconsistencies and flash from stock to X tune and run it back to back. |
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probably 20 dyno runs and 200 BT logs. I've also watched cars get tested before and after at this dyno dynamics while doing some tunes there. They are not unstrapped in between before and after tuning. All runs are done from the car (not the computer) (Before / after), with the handheld unit applying beginning run, load, and end run. The whole internet can speculate though . Last edited by BT M3; 03-23-2011 at 11:43 AM.. |
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03-24-2011, 08:59 AM | #52 |
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If anyone in the New York area is looking for an OE Tune we can do them in house now on Long Island. We have all the equipment to do them in our Plainview, New York facility. We are located right off exit 46 of the LIE and we are easy to get to from anywhere on Long Island. We are about 40 minutes from Manhattan.
We DO NOT have a dyno at our facility. We welcome everyone to use a dyno before and after but we do not have one at our facility. I am putting a list of local 2wd and 4wd dynos together that are local. If you are interested in getting a tune, we can most likely handle all your needs. At this time we offer Active Autowerke and OE Tuning. We do not get involved in any pissing contests between shops and tuners. We do not push one tune over another tune we are just trying to deliver what the customers want and everyone is welcome in our shop. Whatever the customer desires, it is our goal to deliver that to them. Hopefully this makes it easier for the New York guys to get what they need. Hope to meet all your New York guys eventually. Last edited by RPMnorth; 03-24-2011 at 09:30 AM.. |
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Dear M3post members:
Just wanted to touch base in this thread to inform the public of our position in this matter. Powerchip does not believe that those dyno results are accurate by any means. To prove that these results are most likely not realized gains, I have extended an offer to the OP which will give him the opportunity to have an independent shop verify those results at no cost to him. This would entail dynoing the car with the software currently installed, and dynoing the car again with the Powerchip software that was previously installed. We could involve Jeremy/OE Tuning if requested, and he can put the car back to stock so we never see his file. He obviously, already has our Powerchip file since that was his "base" for the tune presently installed in the vehicle. Because we've heard of people playing with static correction values to produce paper gains, we feel it would be a positive contribution to the community for such gains to be verified. We caution taking dyno charts such as these at face value. If in fact the OE tuning software makes 25Whp more than the Powerchip software, I am willing to extend a $690 refund to the OP. The dyno operation and lunch will be provided on the house. A few days ago I sent the OP a message indicating our offer. He responded that he would be in touch and would contact OE tuning to see if they would like to be involved. To date, I have not heard anything further. We are willing to put our time, resources, and money on the line to ensure that further misrepresentations and manipulations are not simply accepted at face value, without independent confirmation of results. This "game" of playing with dyno figures to show a significant competitive advantage that is simply not present, needs to end here. We do not believe those results are accurate and it is very unlikely that the OP's car is making 25whp more than it did with our software. The OP has nothing to lose and everything to gain by acceptance of our offer. After the testing, the OP will know if his car really did gain what the dyno is indicating, and will receive the refund if in fact the dyno posted was accurate. The results will be posted on this thread. In reponse to BT M3's post (#56), which indicates that akh23456 lost power with the powerchip tune versus a stock file, I'd like to inform you that the tune that lost power was created by Jeremy/OE himself. We fixed that file when this was brought to our attention, and to my recollection, the vehicle is now producing more power than in stock form (after Jeremy had already left Powerchip). Do you find it strange that the same tuner that LOST power over stock is now making 25WHP more than a Powerchip tune this time around? I look forward to a non-confrontational approach in validating the OP's alleged gains. Mike PS: It should also be mentioned that most of the people who posted on this thread have vested interests in Gintani: M3Some works at Gintani and obviously has a vested interest. BT M3 has a vested interest, is a vendor, and his handle is "OE Tuning East" on ***********.com. Let's keep the bias out of this thread and focus on verification of these claims. Let's make sure that we all remain "Politically Correct." Also: Why was no AFR graph posted? Anyone can make more power unsafely.
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Great offer by PC to do a straight up comparison but from previous experiences with these types of issues, it will never happen. Too many reputations, people's credibility, etc on the line and usually one side backs out. It would be great for the community to actually see this happen but it almost never does. I give credit to PC for putting it out there though as it seems they are trying to say they having nothing to hide so bring it on.
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I never did notice the symmetry between the graphs but now that you point it out its obvious. That would be near impossible to replicate that trend not only once but twice as its shown in the graph. Its like they created a button in the software "Increase power 25HP" and magically you get constant gain across the RPM band. Also noticed that the torque trend doesn't quite match up with the HP trend. There is usually a bit of correlation between the two which doesn't seem to match up.
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lol i dunno how i got involved in all of this but what did the dyno operator say and where did i dyno?( love all this made up stories..if you don't want to post the info here please pm me the dyno place that said other wise.) I have only posted what my car has put down and here a dyno from a full bolt on m3 with the Pc tune.
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Just analyized the results and according to the data, it seems as if a dyno variable was modified inbetween the two runs which produced an inaccurate gain.
The first two graphs are cars that Jeremy dyno tuned himself from our Texas trip. You can see how the gain on the bottom end of the OP's new dyno is artificial. Furthermore, the bottom graph shows the deviation. You can see that the third graph has an extremely low deviation and that further supports the presumption that a correction factor was applied, or an input variable was changed - causing the skew of the entire curve upward, instead of reflecting actual power related gains. You can see the first two graphs have trouble with gain between 4000 and 5500, and then have a sizable gain through the midrange and top end. You can see the large gap inbetween the two curves on the third gap, which is not representative to how an M3 responds to tunes in that area. Also notable is that the largest increase in horsepower is between 4000 and 5500 RPM, which conflicts with the previous two cars that achieve their highest gain at later RPMs, and have the lowest gain at lower RPM's. The only thing that can explain this is an unwarranted correction to the graph to skew the results. OP: Please let us know as we would like to schedule your dyno. Mathematically speaking it's impossible for the chart they gave you to not have been fabricated.
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M3's do not make ~25 horsepower more before/after tune at 4000rpm. The graphs I posted speak for themselves. I could put ANY M3 dyno in there and they would all conflict with the third graph.
http://oetuning.com/index.php/bmw-m3-e9x-4-0-v8.html According to OE tunings graph, the M3 makes 350 ft/lbs of torque (in the link above).. Didn't know that.. Oh cool, it uses a google chart maker to show the gains, look at all the power I made over his tune: http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?c...B,0,::2,0.5,-1 Same idea, get it?
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The OP is being mislead into thinking that his car now magically makes 25more whp than it did before. It's that simple. We have $700 on the table. It's a win win situation for the customer. Jeremy need not be involved. It's his choice if he wants to be - he has the option of being there or not. It doesn't matter to me. I'm not sure why you think anyone wouldn't take us up on such an offer, there is nothing to lose and everything to gain. If the dyno the OP posted is correct, it will cost over $1K between the refund and dyno time.
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I am a 3rd party... I don't have any ties to any of the companies that are being mentioned in this thread. You can even throw a meet at the dyno location so we can have more people at hand to see the real results. I'm also willing to be the facilitator of Powerchip's offer as well, I have a stock E90M3 that we can use all it has is a drop in filter. |
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I hope xchosin1x responds and accepts this. As you said, he can load his stock tune back with EZFlash, that makes the situation easier.
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