First non-press interior/exterior walk-around for '15 C-Class

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

The small fuel tank is on the Euro C200 BlueTec diesel. It is able to be smaller due to the new car being 20% more fuel efficient. The new C has lost 220lbs. It is mostly due to extensive use of aluminium in the chassis and body panels. They body alone is 150lbs less than the previous gen.

this applies only to the base car as far as we know

here is the following quote from an autocar review of the new c class v6 turbo

"The base model is 220 pounds lighter than the current car, but add in that twin-turbo V6, 4Matic and all the options thrown at our test car, and it becomes clear you're moving weight. The rear-wheel-drive C300 will be lighter on its contact patches when it arrives in Q1 of 2015, but frankly, no one's going to be buying this car to attack corners because, well, "baby S-Class."

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

I hope that isn't what its going to look like. To me, the outgoing c63 looks a hell of a lot better than that.

Any links to what they are doing to lose the weight? Or statements from Merc on how much weight they will drop? 300 lbs loss still puts it at around 3650-3700 lbs

Yeah keep in mind that the new F80 M3 has yet to be weighed independently. With several option boxes ticked, a DCT transmission, and a full tank of gas, I'm guessing that the new F80 will weigh closer to 3,500-3,600 lbs (wet curb weight).

And although the W204 is heavier than the E90, the LCI model still has faster 0-60 times (3.7 seconds), quicker 1/4 times w/ higher trap speeds (guys are in the high 11s with nothing more than proper tires), and a quicker 'ring lap time (by about 4 or 5 seconds).

Most of the weight reduction with the W205 has been achieved by replacing steel on the chassis with high strength aluminum.

Further weight loss is expected in the C63 by way of the switch from an enormous 6.2L NA motor to a smaller, 4.0L biturbo V8.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Yeah keep in mind that the new F80 M3 has yet to be weighed independently. With several option boxes ticked, a DCT transmission, and a full tank of gas, I'm guessing that the new F80 will weigh closer to 3,500-3,600 lbs (wet curb weight).

It is already known it will be 3,500+ lbs.

The US curb weight listed on bmwusa was always 3,706lbs. Subtract the 80kg, new M4 will come in at ~3,530lbs (US curb weight). The 3,300lbs was a marketing exercise (dry weight).

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Most of the weight reduction with the W205 has been achieved by replacing steel on the chassis with high strength aluminum.

Further weight loss is expected in the C63 by way of the switch from an enormous 6.2L NA motor to a smaller, 4.0L biturbo V8.

Yup the chassis and body weight savings will translate right over. Who knows maybe they will employ some additional weight savings as well on the AMG.

[Tonymiabmw]

Honey I Shrunk the E-Class

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

It is already known it will be 3,500+ lbs.

The US curb weight listed on bmwusa was always 3,706lbs. Subtract the 80kg, new M4 will come in at ~3,530lbs (US curb weight). The 3,300lbs was a marketing exercise (dry weight).

Yup the chassis and body weight savings will translate right over. Who knows maybe they will employ some additional weight savings as well on the AMG.

You're exactly right. I think some folks are going to be disappointed when the first "independent" F80/F82 weigh-ins start happening with respect to the DCT-equipped models.

I think some were expecting E46 M3-like weight figures. But like you said, while there has been some honest weight reduction by M, a lot of it is just marketing hype until production cars start to roll out and magazine tests are conducted.

And regarding the W205, there have been several test mules spied with carbon ceramic rotors. That could further aid in weight reduction. But, like the M3, I'll hold my breath until some independent tests and weigh-ins are conducted.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Yeah keep in mind that the new F80 M3 has yet to be weighed independently. With several option boxes ticked, a DCT transmission, and a full tank of gas, I'm guessing that the new F80 will weigh closer to 3,500-3,600 lbs (wet curb weight).

And although the W204 is heavier than the E90, the LCI model still has faster 0-60 times (3.7 seconds), quicker 1/4 times w/ higher trap speeds (guys are in the high 11s with nothing more than proper tires), and a quicker 'ring lap time (by about 4 or 5 seconds).

Most of the weight reduction with the W205 has been achieved by replacing steel on the chassis with high strength aluminum.

Further weight loss is expected in the C63 by way of the switch from an enormous 6.2L NA motor to a smaller, 4.0L biturbo V8.

agree on the weight, but I also don't care because I wont be getting a loaded up heavy model.

its just like e9x cars weighed anywhere from 3520 lbs to 3700 lbs depending on spec. I belive this m3 will be anywhere from 3350-3520 or so depending on spec.

I also wouldn't count on the 6.2 being heavier than the new motor. The cooling equipment, turbos and ancillaries are not going to be light...same reason the s55 isn't notably lighter than the s65

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

It is already known it will be 3,500+ lbs.

The US curb weight listed on bmwusa was always 3,706lbs. Subtract the 80kg, new M4 will come in at ~3,530lbs (US curb weight). The 3,300lbs was a marketing exercise (dry weight).

Yup the chassis and body weight savings will translate right over. Who knows maybe they will employ some additional weight savings as well on the AMG.

I disagree. the curb weight is listed that way for US cars because they list the options that they expect to be sold in the US. Those included DCT, all options and a sunroof.

E9x m3s have been weighed anywhere from 3520-3700+ lbs. Same story with this car.

So sure a loaded up version will be 3500+, but less equipped models, specifically with 6mt and CF roof will be closer to 3350-3400.

We will see who is right when they weigh the cars.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Tonymiabmw

Honey I Shrunk the E-Class

I hope so. Road & Track just tested the E63-S and it ripped off a 11.5 second 1/4 mile time (trapped at over 123 mph). 0-60 in 3.2 seconds.

I could live with that.

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

agree on the weight, but I also don't care because I wont be getting a loaded up heavy model.

its just like e9x cars weighed anywhere from 3520 lbs to 3700 lbs depending on spec. I belive this m3 will be anywhere from 3350-3520 or so depending on spec.

I also wouldn't count on the 6.2 being heavier than the new motor. The cooling equipment, turbos and ancillaries are not going to be light...same reason the s55 isn't notably lighter than the s65.

We will see who is right when they weigh the cars.

I will be shocked if any M3 (regardless of transmission) comes in at 3,350 lbs.

But like you said, we'll see when they're finally weighed.

[Tonymiabmw]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I hope so. Road & Track just tested the E63-S and it ripped off a 11.5 second 1/4 mile time (trapped at over 123 mph). 0-60 in 3.2 seconds.

If I wanted to drag race Id buy a 03 Cobra and for 5k in parts run mid 10s. I want a car thats fast and can tear it up around the track.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I hope so. Road & Track just tested the E63-S and it ripped off a 11.5 second 1/4 mile time (trapped at over 123 mph). 0-60 in 3.2 seconds.

I could live with that.



I will be shocked if any M3 (regardless of transmission) comes in at 3,350 lbs.

But like you said, we'll see when they're finally weighed.

I don't see why it wouldn't come close.

Its identical to what happened on the e9x m3.

BMW Curb Weight : 1580 KG
US Curb Weight : 1683 KG

Actual weights have ranged all the way from 3520-3700+ as I said.

Here is a C and D test with a car that had nav, leather seats, powered seats etc and still only weighed 3571 with full fluids.

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...comparo-ts.pdf

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Tonymiabmw

If I wanted to drag race Id buy a 03 Cobra and for 5k in parts run mid 10s. I want a car thats fast and can tear it up around the track.

If I wanted a dedicated track car, I'd buy a Porsche.

By the way, the LCI C63 is faster around the 'ring than the E90 M3.

C63: 8:01.00

M3: 8:05.00

[Tonymiabmw]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

If I wanted a dedicated track car, I'd buy a Porsche.

By the way, the LCI C63 is faster around the 'ring than the E90 M3.

C63: 8:01.00

M3: 8:05.00

Yeah don't doubt it. they were not making the E90 when they did LCI to AMG.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Tonymiabmw

Yeah don't doubt it. they were not making the E90 when they did LCI to AMG.

They were making E92 M3s in 2012. I guarantee you. I've driven (and almost bought) one.

And the LCI E90 came into production by 2011. BMW just didn't make any engine/suspension updates.

So what's the difference between the LCI model and a non-LCI E90 model? Exterior cosmetic differences? And perhaps a new iDrive system?

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Tonymiabmw

Yeah don't doubt it. they were not making the E90 when they did LCI to AMG.

Yes, they were. The e90 went out of production about a year later.

Granted, it was the last year and half of production for the e9x line.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

I disagree. the curb weight is listed that way for US cars because they list the options that they expect to be sold in the US. Those included DCT, all options and a sunroof.

E9x m3s have been weighed anywhere from 3520-3700+ lbs. Same story with this car.

So sure a loaded up version will be 3500+, but less equipped models, specifically with 6mt and CF roof will be closer to 3350-3400.

We will see who is right when they weigh the cars.

I am fully aware what US curb weight consist of.

Most have figured out the 1500kg for the M4 was din weight. Fuel, but no driver and cargo.

BMW just conflicted that a little, with their recent press release about the DTM M4. They referred to the street M4 in it, saying the 1500kg was dry weight.

Fact is everyone will now be running around saying their M4 weighs 3,300lbs, due to how they marketed the car. When in fact most owners cars won't be near that. Also considering recently we learned DCT adds 89 lbs. Oh and I am willing to bet the 3,300lbs marketing included cermaic brakes, which are good for a solid 40lbs weight savings.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

I am fully aware what US curb weight consist of.

Most have figured out the 1500kg for the M4 was din weight. Fuel, but no driver and cargo.

BMW just conflicted that a little, with their recent press release about the DTM M4. They referred to the street M4 in it, saying the 1500kg was dry weight.

Fact is everyone will now be running around saying their M4 weighs 3,300lbs, due to how they marketed the car. When in fact most owners cars won't be near that. Also considering recently we learned DCT adds 89 lbs. Oh and I am willing to bet the 3,300lbs marketing included cermaic brakes, which are good for a solid 40lbs weight savings.

sounds like we pretty much agree. I could care less about the posers running around saying whatever about their cars. I barely ever meet anyone who has an m3, and regardless of what they say about their m3, if its dumb ill just enjoy the conversation and laugh it off.

IIRC the ceramic brakes only save 14 lbs btw, on account of the larger rotors and mainly larger calipers.

Im getting a low option 6mt m3 (leather, HK, adaptive) and expect it to be ~ 3400 lbs. hopefully I am not disappointed.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

sounds like we pretty much agree. I could care less about the posers running around saying whatever about their cars. I barely ever meet anyone who has an m3, and regardless of what they say about their m3, if its dumb ill just enjoy the conversation and laugh it off.

IIRC the ceramic brakes only save 14 lbs btw, on account of the larger rotors and mainly larger calipers.

Im getting a low option 6mt m3 (leather, HK, adaptive) and expect it to be ~ 3400 lbs. hopefully I am not disappointed.

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Don't let this opportunity pass you by!

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

IIRC the ceramic brakes only save 14 lbs btw, on account of the larger rotors and mainly larger calipers.

Wow, the standard steel brakes must be subpar again. On the M6 the carbon ceramics save 19 kg or 41 lbs. But on the other hand the M6/M5 standard brakes are Brembo 6 piston fronts with big 15.7 in rotors.

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Im getting a low option 6mt m3 (leather, HK, adaptive) and expect it to be ~ 3400 lbs. hopefully I am not disappointed.

Low option M3 sounds good, prefer the sedan over the M4. Wish there was an idrive delete. Carbon roof on the sedan this time around is a bonus.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Wow, the standard steel brakes must be subpar again. On the M6 the carbon ceramics save 19 kg or 41 lbs. But on the other hand the M6/M5 standard brakes are Brembo 6 piston fronts with big 15.7 in rotors.


Low option M3 sounds good, prefer the sedan over the M4. Wish there was an idrive delete. Carbon roof on the sedan this time around is a bonus.

4 piston front / 2 piston rear vs 6 front / 4 rear. That's the main weight difference.

They are a hell of a lot better than the shitty single piston sliding calipers on the current m3.

Agree, prefer the look of the m3 to the m4. Plus at 64600, it's a good value. At 75k, not so much IMO.

I think they should be pretty solid, but reviews will tell the story.

[majin ssj eric]

So much hype about this C-class around here. I don't get it honestly? I mean it looks great, don't get me wrong, but I still think the new 3-series looks better.

[Tonymiabmw]

Originally Posted by majin ssj eric

So much hype about this C-class around here. I don't get it honestly? I mean it looks great, don't get me wrong, but I still think the new 3-series looks better.

+1

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by majin ssj eric

So much hype about this C-class around here. I don't get it honestly? I mean it looks great, don't get me wrong, but I still think the new 3-series looks better.

Different strokes for different folks. Those same people that rave about the C-Class don't understand the hype of the 3 series and think the new C-Class looks better.

[Tonymiabmw]

Originally Posted by Rev ///Me

Different strokes for different folks. Those same people that rave about the C-Class don't understand the hype of the 3 series and think the new C-Class looks better.

The C class has very feminine lines to the me. Don't like how the back is all rounded out either.