Active Autowerke Generation 2 Level 3 Dyno 586WHP 398WTQ SAE

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Originally Posted by lenzm3edan

I thought it was April 7th? unless there is another meet that I don't know about.

7th Bro,sorry typo !

[NikB316]

I double checked and that's what is posted. I just realized one says DCT and the other says 6spd so I think they are different cars too. Maybe incorrect info posted? I'm sure he'll shed some light on this. I know m33 has had quite a few monsters. His current blue with those BBS FIs has the 650 kit from what I remember. Gorgeous wheels man. I had buyers remorse after purchasing the Volks as I started looking into the FIs after and they are really what I want. They are the TE37s for ballers IMO . Go perfectly on a German car. I love the TE37SL compared to the heavy 20" ADVs I had but BBS FI just really belong on an M3. I'll try to get 6 months out of these and justify new wheels when I have to change my tires.

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

Wait Something is not right here.. The 625 kit makes more power than the 650 kit with meth? I think you got it backwards Nik.

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by NikB316

I double checked and that's what is posted. I just realized one says DCT and the other says 6spd so I think they are different cars too. Maybe incorrect info posted? I'm sure he'll shed some light on this. I know m33 has had quite a few monsters. His current blue with those BBS FIs has the 650 kit from what I remember. Gorgeous wheels man. I had buyers remorse after purchasing the Volks as I started looking into the FIs after and they are really what I want. They are the TE37s for ballers IMO . Go perfectly on a German car. I love the TE37SL compared to the heavy 20" ADVs I had but BBS FI just really belong on an M3. I'll try to get 6 months out of these and justify new wheels when I have to change my tires.

Yeah I saw the different transmissions as well.

You can clearly see the huge difference between our 640 kit and lvl 3 kit.

[m33]

Both my 625 6speed @ 7.5psi and 650 DCT 8.5psi put down 590+ whp ( no meth )
I know this for sure as you don't forget about something like this , but as far as which dyno is which I could have mixed them up as I have over 50+ dyno's at ICS performance and lost track or don't care for them anymore as I used to .

Andrew which/who's 625 dyno are you using ?

For the record the 625 kit out down 594 whp with 7.5 psi of boost and no meth .... Weather was good that day 50's with less than 10% humidity.
Never caught the same weather conditions for the vt 650 , my 650 put down 550-590whp depending on the weather the day I dyno'd ....

I would love to see sal run NIK , real world comparison

[m33]

Btw .... I'm not the only one who broke 600whp with a ESS kit , IMG put down 590+ whp with his 625 kit also.

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by m33

Both my 625 6speed @ 7.5psi and 650 DCT 8.5psi put down 590+ whp ( no meth )
I know this for sure as you don't forget about something like this , but as far as which dyno is which I could have mixed them up as I have over 50+ dyno's at ICS performance and lost track or don't care for them anymore as I used to .

Andrew which/who's 625 dyno are you using ?

For the record the 625 kit out down 594 whp with 7.5 psi of boost and no meth .... Weather was good that day 50's with less than 10% humidity.
Never caught the same weather conditions for the vt 650 , my 650 put down 550-590whp depending on the weather the day I dyno'd ....

I would love to see sal run NIK , real world comparison

The Dyno I posted above is our level 2 dyno from the shop car.

5% drivetrain loss was with the 6mt? I figure we get around 10-15% with dct based on stock car figures.

[m33]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

The Dyno I posted above is our level 2 dyno from the shop car.

5% drivetrain loss was with the 6mt? I figure we get around 10-15% with dct based on stock car figures.

Great numbers nonetheless
But it seems it's boosting 10psi that's kinda scary no ? Not to mention that's a serious spike , I would build the Motor if I were you !
This way we can have some fun this summer

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by m33

Great numbers nonetheless
But it seems it's boosting 10psi that's kinda scary no ? Not to mention that's a serious spike , I would build the Motor if I were you !
This way we can have some fun this summer

M33,

Most of the boost pressure change is due to the VANOS mapping. When cam overlap goes down, boost pressure tends to go up. We could make the car make 11psi at redline, but power would either not change, or remain the same. Boost is not the killer of an engine, heat and horsepower are.

[NikB316]

I don't know how accurate the boost reading is on the DynoJet as at MaximumPSI it was consistently between 8.5-9 with one run out of 20 hitting 9.2. I asked Mike about this and he said his dyno is spot on.

Here is a video of my run:

The files from 3 different runs should be up on the s65-dyno website later on today. I sent them this afternoon and I think Robert is going to look at them later today from my understanding.

I just got the p3 vent installed this afternoon so I can see what the car is actually doing. Awesome product. Sucks that it was snowing during my drive back so I couldn't test it out.

Don't worry, we'll have plenty of fun this summer. I don't think it's necessary to build the motor at this level. There are plenty of 650 kits running "8.5-9PSI" with no meth and no verifiable boost logs. I don't see a big difference...

[Alekshop]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

M33,

Most of the boost pressure change is due to the VANOS mapping. When cam overlap goes down, boost pressure tends to go up. We could make the car make 11psi at redline, but power would either not change, or remain the same. Boost is not the killer of an engine, heat and horsepower are.

Boost is it thriller of the engine it just forces the rod to go through a side of the block...

[m33]

enjoy in good health ...

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by m33

enjoy in good health ...

I've seen this before.

[m33]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

I've seen this before.

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I expressing myself humbly and nicely Andrew and I've met the guy/OP in person a few times , I hope your not try'ing to twist things on your end cause I'm beyond the bullshit , bring a solid product to the plate and you will get respect , act the way your acting and .... I'm sure you can figure out the rest !

For the record , 10psi is not safe by any means I don't care who you are and what you say , if I were NIK I would have Autocouture build him the Motor and then he can enjoy a serious super car ... Safely .

For the record I sometimes saw 9psi on my kit in cold weather and Roman sent me a larger Pulley so I can keep the boost at 8psi , he did the same for Sal @ Autocouture , safety is #1

NIK I'm sorry if you for any reason feel like I'm raining on your parade , if so just Pm me and I'll save my comments for you in person Broski !

Again enjoy your ride in good Health !

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by m33

? :
I expressing myself humbly and nicely Andrew and I've met the guy/OP in person a few times , I hope your not try'ing to twist things on your end cause I'm beyond the bullshit , bring a solid product to the plate and you will get respect , act the way your acting and .... I'm sure you can figure out the rest !

For the record , 10psi is not safe by any means I don't care who you are and what you say , if I were NIK I would have Autocouture build him the Motor and then he can enjoy a serious super car ... Safely .

For the record I sometimes saw 9psi on my kit in cold weather and Roman sent me a larger Pulley so I can keep the boost at 8psi , he did the same for Sal @ Autocouture , safety is #1

NIK I'm sorry if you for any reason feel like I'm raining on your parade , if so just Pm me and I'll save my comments for you in person Broski !

Again enjoy your ride in good Health !

I'm sorry you feel this way but i'm not attacking you in anyway nor do I want to.

[m33]

In that case I apologize !

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by m33

In that case I apologize !

Don't worry about it.

Back on topic

[NikB316]

I appreciate the perspective bud - always good to hear opinions on something. I'm not taking any of it negatively bro, you've mentioned everything in an impartial manner.

I'm waiting until I can take the car on a solid drive with the P3 vent installed so I can monitor the boost. With 20+ runs at MaximumPSI showing 8.5-9 with one out of those hitting 9.2, it naturally makes me question which reading is accurate. Not sure if you are familiar with MaximumPSI but they are one the the top BMW shop in the northeast for strictly performance (I would say the top for pre-e92 cars). Between Active and them I'm sure any potential issue would be worked out. Just too hard to tell until I can hit maximum boost and this weather today really isn't helping. Hopefully it clears up tonight, if not tomorrow. I'll try to take a video but with no GoPro can't make any promises.

Originally Posted by m33

? :
I expressing myself humbly and nicely Andrew and I've met the guy/OP in person a few times , I hope your not try'ing to twist things on your end cause I'm beyond the bullshit , bring a solid product to the plate and you will get respect , act the way your acting and .... I'm sure you can figure out the rest !

For the record , 10psi is not safe by any means I don't care who you are and what you say , if I were NIK I would have Autocouture build him the Motor and then he can enjoy a serious super car ... Safely .

For the record I sometimes saw 9psi on my kit in cold weather and Roman sent me a larger Pulley so I can keep the boost at 8psi , he did the same for Sal @ Autocouture , safety is #1

NIK I'm sorry if you for any reason feel like I'm raining on your parade , if so just Pm me and I'll save my comments for you in person Broski !

Again enjoy your ride in good Health !

[m33]

Good stuff !
I have that same gauge , best way to monitor it is take it to redline then let off the gas and let the car coast itself back down and then hit the recall button.
Otherwise you'll get a spiked reading...

[NikB316]

Thanks for the tip Zim - much appreciated. Been trying to figure out how to use this thing properly...just came across the guide on p3cars. I'll keep everyone posted.

[JR M3]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

Don't worry about it.

Back on topic

Those look amazing

[pbonsalb]

AA has a lot of experience with supercharger kits on BMW M3s over the years. Centrifugal boost gradually comes in, so it is only at the very top end that it gets up around 10 psi. It is not there for long and it is much safer to have 10 psi there than at 4000 rpm (where many of us might actually prefer to have it) since cylinder pressures are dropping due to diminishing engine VE. AA has years of experience running 11-12 psi (and maybe even in the 13 psi range peak) on E46M3 with 8000 rpm redlines and 11.5:1 CR. To peak in the 10 psi range on a 12.0 CR motor seems in line. I don't think you have to spend $10k to build the motor.

The Vortech Si Trim seems to be slightly higher flowing than the big Rotrex, so 10 psi from the Vortech would be riskier. In the supercharger world, people are not as informed about flow rates. If you spend some time in the turbo world, you quickly learn that 10 psi is 10 psi but that the analysis is much more complicated than that. You might get significantly different power and torque from 10 psi with one turbo than 10 psi with another turbo.

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

AA has a lot of experience with supercharger kits on BMW M3s over the years. Centrifugal boost gradually comes in, so it is only at the very top end that it gets up around 10 psi. It is not there for long and it is much safer to have 10 psi there than at 4000 rpm (where many of us might actually prefer to have it) since cylinder pressures are dropping due to diminishing engine VE. AA has years of experience running 11-12 psi (and maybe even in the 13 psi range peak) on E46M3 with 8000 rpm redlines and 11.5:1 CR. To peak in the 10 psi range on a 12.0 CR motor seems in line. I don't think you have to spend $10k to build the motor.

The Vortech Si Trim seems to be slightly higher flowing than the big Rotrex, so 10 psi from the Vortech would be riskier. In the supercharger world, people are not as informed about flow rates. If you spend some time in the turbo world, you quickly learn that 10 psi is 10 psi but that the analysis is much more complicated than that. You might get significantly different power and torque from 10 psi with one turbo than 10 psi with another turbo.

Spoken like an educated e36 owner Keep in mind that we also keep the stock throttle closure which will slowly close the throttle as it approaches red line raising psi due to resistance.