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      01-04-2016, 07:35 PM   #1
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supercharger choice.. help needed !

Hi guys i am currently on the market for a supercharger for my M3 but i cant decide which is better...Active autowerke stage 2 or ESS vt2 650 in terms of power and reliability.

on a side note i will be installing a water methanol kit with either one...

i will be grateful for any advice thanks in advance
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There are plenty of threads with more than enough info to answer your question Sir.
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There are plenty of threads with more than enough info to answer your question Sir.
Good luck !
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There are plenty of threads with more than enough info to answer your question Sir.
Good luck !
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No problem. Good luck !
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I have an AA Level 2 with a Snow Performance Meth kit. Currently making 537 to the wheels at 7psi, and I absolutely love it. No issues so far.
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I have an AA Level 2 with a Snow Performance Meth kit. Currently making 537 to the wheels at 7psi, and I absolutely love it. No issues so far.
Okay thank u man good to know
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For me i have AA stage 3
Now its good with me and i am ready to. Beat ess
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My vote is Active AutoWerke. Feel free to PM me if you would like a quote on either.
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It was a toss up for me between AA and ESS, ESS has more kits out than anyone and they got back with me first. So over 20k on a ESS 625, zero issues.
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Can't go wrong with a supercharger. It matches the S65 powerband perfectly. Prior to installation I would make sure you have new factory plugs and O2 sensors and have changed rod bearings.

The AA Kit and ESS Kit are fundamentally different - they use different superchargers and different intercooling applications. ESS uses The Vortech blower with an air to water intercooler and the AA kit uses a Rotrex supercharger and air to air intercooler. They are make power differently. AA makes a little more torque lower in the RPM range but the power dies up top whereas the ESS kit makes peak power all the way to redline. The AA kit limits revs to 8,100 rpm (from what I remember) and ESS will provide (for free) a tune to rev all the way to 8,600 rpm.

I have had the intercooled ESS 650 for over 3 years on my daily driver. Installed at 900 miles now the car has 35,000 miles. Never one issue.

It makes 570 rear wheel horsepower on pump 91 octane and I mix a little pump e85 (about 2 gallons) in every tank.

I tried water meth but it was a pain so j removed it. Instead I went with a larger capacity 5 gallon trunk-mounted water tank. It keeps IAT's much lower which is key to making power on the S65 which is very IAT sensitive. With the 5 gallon tank I can also drop in a bag of ice before a race to create lower IATs than ambient, which is a huge advantage. See my most recent race event here:

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For me i have AA stage 3
Now its good with me and i am ready to. Beat ess
Yes active is a beast
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My vote is Active AutoWerke. Feel free to PM me if you would like a quote on either.
Okay thank you
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It was a toss up for me between AA and ESS, ESS has more kits out than anyone and they got back with me first. So over 20k on a ESS 625, zero issues.
Haha good to know thanks for the info
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Can't go wrong with a supercharger. It matches the S65 powerband perfectly. Prior to installation I would make sure you have new factory plugs and O2 sensors and have changed rod bearings.

The AA Kit and ESS Kit are fundamentally different - they use different superchargers and different intercooling applications. ESS uses The Vortech blower with an air to water intercooler and the AA kit uses a Rotrex supercharger and air to air intercooler. They are make power differently. AA makes a little more torque lower in the RPM range but the power dies up top whereas the ESS kit makes peak power all the way to redline. The AA kit limits revs to 8,100 rpm (from what I remember) and ESS will provide (for free) a tune to rev all the way to 8,600 rpm.

I have had the intercooled ESS 650 for over 3 years on my daily driver. Installed at 900 miles now the car has 35,000 miles. Never one issue.

It makes 570 rear wheel horsepower on pump 91 octane and I mix a little pump e85 (about 2 gallons) in every tank.

I tried water meth but it was a pain so j removed it. Instead I went with a larger capacity 5 gallon trunk-mounted water tank. It keeps IAT's much lower which is key to making power on the S65 which is very IAT sensitive. With the 5 gallon tank I can also drop in a bag of ice before a race to create lower IATs than ambient, which is a huge advantage. See my most recent race event here:

Thanks man for the info i really appreciate it and i've seen your videos and it's really good
I've decides to go with the ess 650 kit
I will be using aquamist hfs-4 injection and 95 octane here in egypt... So is it a good combination? I've heard alot of positive reviews on the hfs meth kit.
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ESS 625k with a frank smith from ttfs tune. on 93 pump with out a full exhuast and still having my secondary cats my car made 525 on the same dyno jet I made 343whp stock on.

My 09 has 72kmiles all original parts. VF uses the same blower as the ESS but there tune is too conservative to make any decent numbers for the cost of the kit. A buddy of mine did their kit his car only made 489 on his 620kit from vf.

He did a 3mm smaller pulley barely enough for an extra lb of boost and had frank retune the car and made 537whp with 350tq on 93 with a stock 6spd 08 at 66k on the dash.
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ESS 625k with a frank smith from ttfs tune. on 93 pump with out a full exhuast and still having my secondary cats my car made 525 on the same dyno jet I made 343whp stock on.

My 09 has 72kmiles all original parts. VF uses the same blower as the ESS but there tune is too conservative to make any decent numbers for the cost of the kit. A buddy of mine did their kit his car only made 489 on his 620kit from vf.

He did a 3mm smaller pulley barely enough for an extra lb of boost and had frank retune the car and made 537whp with 350tq on 93 with a stock 6spd 08 at 66k on the dash.
sounds like your friend's car ended up with some good numbers. hopefully he didn't buy the kit new and have to spend $ on another pulley and expensive tune.

i spent a ton of time researching the forum and made the decision on the ess625 kit as well. i've had my kit for a year and have not had any problems at all other than traction.
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sounds like your friend's car ended up with some good numbers. hopefully he didn't buy the kit new and have to spend $ on another pulley and expensive tune.

i spent a ton of time researching the forum and made the decision on the ess625 kit as well. i've had my kit for a year and have not had any problems at all other than traction.
he bought the kit new so yeah he spent a good amount. the pulley was only 80 bucks, i'm not sure what frank charged him for the tune.
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We've pretty much dynoed them all (ESS, VF, Harrop, AA & G-Power) and seen various kits at the airstrips in action. Longboarder has over 100+ dynoruns in our shop as well. Would highly recommend the ESS systems without any hesitation.

The ESS VT2-625 systems (most popular kit out there) utilize a very efficient water to air system, methanol simply isn't needed. Feel free to send me a PM if you have any questions and I'll be happy to help.
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ESS 625k with a frank smith from ttfs tune. on 93 pump with out a full exhuast and still having my secondary cats my car made 525 on the same dyno jet I made 343whp stock on.

My 09 has 72kmiles all original parts. VF uses the same blower as the ESS but there tune is too conservative to make any decent numbers for the cost of the kit. A buddy of mine did their kit his car only made 489 on his 620kit from vf.

He did a 3mm smaller pulley barely enough for an extra lb of boost and had frank retune the car and made 537whp with 350tq on 93 with a stock 6spd 08 at 66k on the dash.
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ESS-625/650. I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
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We've pretty much dynoed them all (ESS, VF, Harrop, AA & G-Power) and seen various kits at the airstrips in action. Longboarder has over 100+ dynoruns in our shop as well. Would highly recommend the ESS systems without any hesitation.

The ESS VT2-625 systems (most popular kit out there) utilize a very efficient water to air system, methanol simply isn't needed. Feel free to send me a PM if you have any questions and I'll be happy to help.
Thank you for the info and the advice
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