No EDC No M Drive

lucid · 08-22-2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ilron

According to the price list M-Drive is only available in combination with:
602 - This option is not listed in the price list I have
606 - Nav business
609 - Nav Professional

It is not available with
663 - Radio Professional
Obviously; you need a screen in order to see what you are doing.

It would be interesting to know what "602" is, anybody out there with a more detailed list?

Things will most likely be bundled differently over here in the US.

NavNurs · 08-22-2007, 01:33 PM

Thanks for the tip MK!

Based upon the Canadian order guide, power seats are now standard. Additionally, M-Drive is bundled with Nav. As I was born without a gene for direction, I need the Nav system. With my military direct order I was hoping to be able to custom order without those items.

It is a good thing the roof is CF. It should help make up for the increased weight of the Nav/Seat motors/Individual Audio speaks. (I just have to listen to that system!)

ilron · 08-22-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

Things will most likely be bundled differently over here in the US.

That is most likely true, but this pricelist have no prepared "bundles" it is only a list over the available options with a remark to which options you can combine or not. It was a nightmare (a good one that is) to configure the car as I almost had to make a spreadsheet just to get the overview.

Anyways: I do not believe it is a coincidence that you can have M-Drive combined with all the options that include a screen, while not with the Radio Professional that does not have a screen. But, in order to be sure of this I'd like to know what option "602" is, as I mentioned, there are no detailed explanation in the pricelist to what that is, and it is not listed on my orderconfirmation from BMW.

stressdoc · 08-22-2007, 01:55 PM

I would want EDC for sure -- I'm going to get the Bilstein EDC cockpit control set up for my 335. I am nervous about M-drive and the further gadgetry attached to the steering.

lucid · 08-22-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ilron

That is most likely true, but this pricelist have no prepared "bundles" it is only a list over the available options with a remark to which options you can combine or not. It was a nightmare (a good one that is) to configure the car as I almost had to make a spreadsheet just to get the overview.

Anyways: I do not believe it is a coincidence that you can have M-Drive combined with all the options that include a screen, while not with the Radio Professional that does not have a screen. But, in order to be sure of this I'd like to know what option "602" is, as I mentioned, there are no detailed explanation in the pricelist to what that is, and it is not listed on my orderconfirmation from BMW.

You are lucky that BMW gives you such flexibility. There clearly are technical reasons for why certain things need to be ordered together and so on, but I doubt that the US buyers will ever have to spend time thinking through them like you are since things will come in packages for us and all that will be taken care of at the expense of a higher level of customization. I guess BMW does not have confidence in the average US consumer's IQ, or the US consumer does not like dealing with long itemized lists. I saw the German options list; it was VERY long. We won't see such a list here.

mofomat · 08-22-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ilron

Anyways: I do not believe it is a coincidence that you can have M-Drive combined with all the options that include a screen, while not with the Radio Professional that does not have a screen. But, in order to be sure of this I'd like to know what option "602" is, as I mentioned, there are no detailed explanation in the pricelist to what that is, and it is not listed on my orderconfirmation from BMW.

"602" is just the on-board monitor combined with the TV, but without the navigation.

Ilron you are correct. M Drive will only be available with the extra monitor on the dash, as this is the only way to see your personal settings.

esquire · 08-22-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

The only options I am seriously considering are EDC and 19"s. I am on the fence about DCT, but most likely will not order it. The rest doesn't interest me at all, especially navigation. I really hope this thing comes standard without the ugly dash hump.

what has you on the fence about DCT?

lucid · 08-22-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire

what has you on the fence about DCT?

Although there is no doubt DCT will be faster and more efficient than I can ever be, I am concerned that it will take away from the involvement and turn it into a videogame-like experience in the long run. I am sure it would be fun at first, but I am concerned that I might miss being able to manually disengage/engage the clutch and all that. I really need to drive it, but even then, I am not sure if a limited 20 minute test drive will be telling exactly. I'd be interested in hearing what other people think about this--especially people who have lived with SMG for a considerable amount of time...

Garrett · 08-22-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lucid

Although there is no doubt DCT will be faster and more efficient than I can ever be, I am concerned that it will take away from the involvement and turn it into a videogame-like experience in the long run. I am sure it would be fun at first, but I am concerned that I might miss being able to manually disengage/engage the clutch and all that. I really need to drive it, but even then, I am not sure if a limited 20 minute test drive will be telling exactly. I'd be interested in hearing what other people think about this--especially people who have lived with SMG for a considerable amount of time...

How do you put the SMG, DSG in nautral to rev the engine or coast backwards....?? Kinda like feathering the clutch, letting gravity back you out of a driveway, then while in 1st you feather the clutch in to start going down the street.

Stahlgrau · 08-22-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrett

How do you put the SMG, DSG in nautral to rev the engine or coast backwards....?? Kinda like feathering the clutch, letting gravity back you out of a driveway, then while in 1st you feather the clutch in to start going down the street.

Like you're trying to sneak out of the house without starting it up? LMAO!

Smoltz · 08-22-2007, 07:52 PM

I'm very curious how the steering will feel of the car does not have the reconfigurable steering. Will it be set in the middle? Also, will it be adjustable by the dealer with their computer?

I appear to be in the minority in that my car will be ordered with very few (if any) options.

-Adam

ToddMcF2002 · 08-22-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoltz

I appear to be in the minority in that my car will be ordered with very few (if any) options.

-Adam

I doubt that. Everything that went wrong with my 01 M3 was related to all that electronic crap. I wont be ordering that garbage. Give me leather, 19's and a key.

kishg · 08-22-2007, 09:05 PM

why buy an m3 without m-drive? edc may be considered superflous, esp if you plan to fit aftermarket suspension but if not and if you live around here where we have crappy roads, EDC will come in most handy!

kishg · 08-22-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ToddMcF2002

Give me leather, 19's and a key.

surely you mean a key fob?

ToddMcF2002 · 08-22-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kishg

surely you mean a key fob?

Yes LOL.

Check out Top Gear's M5 review. I totally concur with Clarkson's bitch session about the electronic BS in that car. Its all so completely unnecessary.

GregW / Oregon · 08-22-2007, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilron

According to the price list M-Drive is only available in combination with:
602 - This option is not listed in the price list I have
606 - Nav business
609 - Nav Professional

It is not available with
663 - Radio Professional
Obviously; you need a screen in order to see what you are doing.

You are right about MDrive needing Nav--missed that in the German price list. The translation under MDrive is, "Only in connection with navigation systems, not in connection radio Professional". I stand corrected.

The CSL · 08-23-2007, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by NavNurs

Call me a purist.......I will skip both, along with power seats. I am not sure how much weight this will account for though every pound counts!

There seem to be plenty of "options" now available on cars which are somewhat useless. Seriously, who needs headlights that come on when it gets dark, or rain sensing wipers. Folks who are unable to tell when it gets dark, or when it is raining simply should not drive!

Who needs EDC? Lotus can make the Elise ride and handle well. This is just BMW willy-waving.

RandyB · 08-23-2007, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ToddMcF2002

Yes LOL.

Check out Top Gear's M5 review. I totally concur with Clarkson's bitch session about the electronic BS in that car. Its all so completely unnecessary.

I agree x 1,000! I know they want to keep up with the competition and appeal to all of the many 'gadget people' in the world but please make all of that crap optional for the few dying breed purists that are left.

I'll have leather, 19s and a key fob as well (since we now have a ridiculous 'start' button).

mkoesel · 08-23-2007, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Garrett

How do you put the SMG, DSG in nautral to rev the engine or coast backwards....?? Kinda like feathering the clutch, letting gravity back you out of a driveway, then while in 1st you feather the clutch in to start going down the street.

Well, you just click down on the paddle (or shift lever) until you hit neutral.

My main concern with DCT is the launching. I don't think the current US M5s have launch control. Though I could be wrong. But if they don't then the M3 might not either.

Garrett · 08-23-2007, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Stahlgrau

Like you're trying to sneak out of the house without starting it up? LMAO!

When I'm dropping a date off at 3:30 in the morning...

Garrett · 08-23-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mkoesel

Well, you just click down on the paddle (or shift lever) until you hit neutral.

My main concern with DCT is the launching. I don't think the current US M5s have launch control. Though I could be wrong. But if they don't then the M3 might not either.

OK, I thouight it might go into neutral if you pulled back both paddles or something.

But can you choose neutral from 3rd..?

mkoesel · 08-23-2007, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Garrett

OK, I thouight it might go into neutral if you pulled back both paddles or something.

But can you choose Nuetral from 3rd..?

Sure, just click three times in succession.

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