BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > M3 vs....
 
Strasse Wheels
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      08-25-2010, 09:06 PM   #111
Dave07997S
Colonel
38
Rep
2,555
Posts

 
Drives: 2013 BMW M3 ZCP Coupe
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Playa del Rey, CA

iTrader: (1)

This thing is awesome..mkoesel..there may be some truth to the special key feature after all...hmmm.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/25/v...a-s/#continued

Dave
__________________
2013 M3 Coupe-MR/BLK ZCP, ACM test pipes, BPM Stg2 dev. tune and Megan catback, AFE Stg2. with C/F elbow
Previous rides: 2011 M3 Coupe-MR/Blk
2007 Porsche 997C2S Speed Yellow/Blk sport seats
2004 BMW M3 Imola/Blk
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2010, 09:06 AM   #112
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
183
Rep
13,842
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 SO/CSAT F80 M3
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

I can't watch the video right now, but yeah, I know that Leno's piece was the main source of the rumor. Plus, as others have pointed out, at the original release, Ford had said that there was an additional surprise to be revealed later.

I am still skeptical that the details will be as stated above by trahsub. I could see it being 8000 RPM though. The thing is, what will the stipulations be? The mere fact that this is supposedly going to be a special ECU tune rather than just having it be the default stock one, suggests to me that there will be restrictions about using it. Hopefully I am wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave07997S View Post
This thing is awesome..mkoesel..there may be some truth to the special key feature after all...hmmm.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/08/25/v...a-s/#continued

Dave
__________________
A gen-u-ine BMW eff-eight-zero with them tandem clutches in the transmission and that dad gum sun roof on the top-a da cawr.
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2010, 12:46 PM   #113
The_BatBoy_187
Private
The_BatBoy_187's Avatar
Saudi Arabia
0
Rep
81
Posts

 
Drives: M3 E92 DCT
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Gotham City

iTrader: (0)

If this is a Mustang Limited Edition thingy, shouldn't they go against the M3 Limited Edition thingy; The M3 GTS ! now that would be a challenge...but when you put a standard M3 against a HUGELY Factory modified Mustang, things just don't make sense<<I'm saying this because after seeing the Mustang GT comparison, I felt a bit insecure bout the outcome with the Boss
__________________
////// MPower: Magnificent Power
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2010, 12:48 PM   #114
Dave07997S
Colonel
38
Rep
2,555
Posts

 
Drives: 2013 BMW M3 ZCP Coupe
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Playa del Rey, CA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by The_BatBoy_187 View Post
If this is a Mustang Limited Edition thingy, shouldn't they go against the M3 Limited Edition thingy; The M3 GTS ! now that would be a challenge...but when you put a standard M3 against a HUGELY Factory modified Mustang, things just don't make sense<<I'm saying this because after seeing the Mustang GT comparison, I felt a bit insecure bout the outcome with the Boss
There you go..a $40k car vs. a $160k car...

Dave
__________________
2013 M3 Coupe-MR/BLK ZCP, ACM test pipes, BPM Stg2 dev. tune and Megan catback, AFE Stg2. with C/F elbow
Previous rides: 2011 M3 Coupe-MR/Blk
2007 Porsche 997C2S Speed Yellow/Blk sport seats
2004 BMW M3 Imola/Blk
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2010, 02:01 PM   #115
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
183
Rep
13,842
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 SO/CSAT F80 M3
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

You do make me wonder about potential Mustang ring times though. I would not be surprised if the Boss LS was genuinely capable of < 8 minutes. Of course I doubt we will ever see it tested (or any other Mustang for that matter).

Quote:
Originally Posted by The_BatBoy_187 View Post
If this is a Mustang Limited Edition thingy, shouldn't they go against the M3 Limited Edition thingy; The M3 GTS ! now that would be a challenge...but when you put a standard M3 against a HUGELY Factory modified Mustang, things just don't make sense<<I'm saying this because after seeing the Mustang GT comparison, I felt a bit insecure bout the outcome with the Boss
__________________
A gen-u-ine BMW eff-eight-zero with them tandem clutches in the transmission and that dad gum sun roof on the top-a da cawr.
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2010, 03:00 PM   #116
Montoya
Lieutenant
Montoya's Avatar
15
Rep
573
Posts

 
Drives: M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Portland

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post
You do make me wonder about potential Mustang ring times though. I would not be surprised if the Boss LS was genuinely capable of < 8 minutes. Of course I doubt we will ever see it tested (or any other Mustang for that matter).
The ring is not their bogey. They specifically say they are gunning for beating the M3 time at Laguna Seca with the Laguna Seca edition. Given it has track tires, brakes, suspension, special track aero bits and a free reving V8 with slightly less weight- I think they can rest assured they will beat the M3 at Laguna.

At the ring, that's a different story with more suspension travel required to lay down good times (bumpier track for sure) and I would think that the LS edition will have more trouble there with the solid rear axle than at other places. But who knows...
__________________

'08 E92 IB, Gone
'10 GT3 now in my garage!
'10 X5 3.5D
'12 E91 Xi Wagon MT sports package
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2010, 03:11 PM   #117
adc
Brigadier General
53
Rep
4,151
Posts

 
Drives: 2009 E90 M3 ED
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: MD/DC

iTrader: (6)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Montoya View Post
The ring is not their bogey. They specifically say they are gunning for beating the M3 time at Laguna Seca with the Laguna Seca edition. Given it has track tires, brakes, suspension, special track aero bits and a free reving V8 with slightly less weight- I think they can rest assured they will beat the M3 at Laguna.

At the ring, that's a different story with more suspension travel required to lay down good times (bumpier track for sure) and I would think that the LS edition will have more trouble there with the solid rear axle than at other places. But who knows...
+1 - took the words right out of my mouth...

I've read that BMW recommends running the softest EDC setting at the Ring - I tried it and the car was fine, but I did't like the excessive movement of the car. I'm still not convinced they are 100% right, but who knows they may be onto something.

But I don't think that live axles and rock hard suspensions do well over there... (Plus if you guys checked out how much a Mustang costs over in Europe you'd probably be surprised).
__________________

2009 E90 M3 ED
2014 X1 28i ED
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2010, 04:53 PM   #118
SnakeKiller
Private
1
Rep
99
Posts

 
Drives: Ford F150
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San diego

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Montoya View Post
The ring is not their bogey. They specifically say they are gunning for beating the M3 time at Laguna Seca with the Laguna Seca edition. Given it has track tires, brakes, suspension, special track aero bits and a free reving V8 with slightly less weight- I think they can rest assured they will beat the M3 at Laguna.

At the ring, that's a different story with more suspension travel required to lay down good times (bumpier track for sure) and I would think that the LS edition will have more trouble there with the solid rear axle than at other places. But who knows...
well if we take the recent test of the 5.0L, we can expect the regular boss to match or beat the M3 as well.
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2010, 06:13 PM   #119
e92_m3
Lieutenant Colonel
38
Rep
1,566
Posts

 
Drives: 2009 e92 m3
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Bay Area, California

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeKiller View Post
well if we take the recent test of the 5.0L, we can expect the regular boss to match or beat the M3 as well.
+1!

With the mustang GT coming EXTREMELY close to beating the m3 on the track, the regular Boss 302 will surely beat the m3 in the track for sure. I will not even get into the M3 VS the Boss 302 LS. This is where the M3 GTS should come in. Motortrend should do a review between the Boss 302 LS and the M3 GTS. 440 hp on the Boss VS 444 hp on the GTS. That would be a good match up for sure.
Appreciate 0
      08-26-2010, 09:45 PM   #120
Scoobe
Lieutenant
Scoobe's Avatar
8
Rep
563
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 M3 Sedan SSII/SN/DCT
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Antonio, TX

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 E90 M3  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by e92_m3 View Post
+1!

With the mustang GT coming EXTREMELY close to beating the m3 on the track, the regular Boss 302 will surely beat the m3 in the track for sure. I will not even get into the M3 VS the Boss 302 LS. This is where the M3 GTS should come in. Motortrend should do a review between the Boss 302 LS and the M3 GTS. 440 hp on the Boss VS 444 hp on the GTS. That would be a good match up for sure.
Would be an interesting test. However, likely never happen, unless MAYBE top gear does it by importing an LS. Chances our without someone importing a GTS to the US, or and LS to Europe, we'll likely never see that matchup. Could be wrong though, maybe someone should write to Top Gear to do that very thing.
__________________
08 GT500 convertible red package (Black w/ Red stripes) /Ford Racing Exhaust /Cold Air Induction 560hp
10 Porsche Cayenne GTS Black w/ Black Wheels 408hp
11 M3 Silverstone w/ Silver Novillo Leather /Tech /Premium /19" /DCT /Ipod 414hp
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2010, 01:32 AM   #121
The_BatBoy_187
Private
The_BatBoy_187's Avatar
Saudi Arabia
0
Rep
81
Posts

 
Drives: M3 E92 DCT
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Gotham City

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave07997S View Post
There you go..a $40k car vs. a $160k car...

Dave
I was talking performance wise, not price tags
__________________
////// MPower: Magnificent Power
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2010, 01:50 AM   #122
Dave07997S
Colonel
38
Rep
2,555
Posts

 
Drives: 2013 BMW M3 ZCP Coupe
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Playa del Rey, CA

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by The_BatBoy_187 View Post
I was talking performance wise, not price tags

Oh, sorry. That would make the GTS look so pathetic that you have to spend $160k or $40k to get similar performance and even better luxury with the Mustang as the GTS is a stripper.

Dave
__________________
2013 M3 Coupe-MR/BLK ZCP, ACM test pipes, BPM Stg2 dev. tune and Megan catback, AFE Stg2. with C/F elbow
Previous rides: 2011 M3 Coupe-MR/Blk
2007 Porsche 997C2S Speed Yellow/Blk sport seats
2004 BMW M3 Imola/Blk
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2010, 02:02 AM   #123
SnakeKiller
Private
1
Rep
99
Posts

 
Drives: Ford F150
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San diego

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by e92_m3 View Post
+1!

With the mustang GT coming EXTREMELY close to beating the m3 on the track, the regular Boss 302 will surely beat the m3 in the track for sure. I will not even get into the M3 VS the Boss 302 LS. This is where the M3 GTS should come in. Motortrend should do a review between the Boss 302 LS and the M3 GTS. 440 hp on the Boss VS 444 hp on the GTS. That would be a good match up for sure.
i believe the GTS has a weight advantage of (400lbs less)
the regular boss weights 30lbs more that a GT, take away the back seat and add a cross brace. the Ls isn't that much lighter, but then again we need to expect more from a 100k+ M3.
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2010, 02:04 AM   #124
SnakeKiller
Private
1
Rep
99
Posts

 
Drives: Ford F150
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San diego

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoobe View Post
Would be an interesting test. However, likely never happen, unless MAYBE top gear does it by importing an LS. Chances our without someone importing a GTS to the US, or and LS to Europe, we'll likely never see that matchup. Could be wrong though, maybe someone should write to Top Gear to do that very thing.
maybe the American Top gear can.(if it doesn't FAIL)

Top gear wont give them a fair comparison
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2010, 02:25 AM   #125
e92_m3
Lieutenant Colonel
38
Rep
1,566
Posts

 
Drives: 2009 e92 m3
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Bay Area, California

iTrader: (0)

I guess we m3 owners need to accept reality, which is the new 5.0 mustang GT has stepped up the plate. A little tweak with the mustang's suspension and I pretty much might be seeing it's tailights on the track...

I know it's hard for me to accept coz I paid almost $70K for my car and now a $40K car comes in and it almost beats my car in performance.

My brother might be getting the new mustang GT sometime this year, so I would have to see for myself if it is up to par with the m3.
Appreciate 0
      08-27-2010, 08:57 AM   #126
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
183
Rep
13,842
Posts

 
Drives: 2015 SO/CSAT F80 M3
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by shift@red View Post
Maybe possible. BTW do you really think the m3 zcp dct is capable of under 8 if the GTS could only do 7:48?
I do think it is absolutely possible, yes. That's up to 11 seconds behind - still a significant amount.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Montoya View Post
At the ring, that's a different story with more suspension travel required to lay down good times (bumpier track for sure) and I would think that the LS edition will have more trouble there with the solid rear axle than at other places. But who knows...
You could very well be correct there. Still, I'd love to see it run.
__________________
A gen-u-ine BMW eff-eight-zero with them tandem clutches in the transmission and that dad gum sun roof on the top-a da cawr.
Appreciate 0
      08-28-2010, 11:04 PM   #127
Scoobe
Lieutenant
Scoobe's Avatar
8
Rep
563
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 M3 Sedan SSII/SN/DCT
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: San Antonio, TX

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2011 E90 M3  [5.00]
Saw the Jay Leno video, that exhaust on the LS is so bad ass. Reminded me of a friend who had a 62 Impala w/ a 409ci with dumps. Gets your attention.
__________________
08 GT500 convertible red package (Black w/ Red stripes) /Ford Racing Exhaust /Cold Air Induction 560hp
10 Porsche Cayenne GTS Black w/ Black Wheels 408hp
11 M3 Silverstone w/ Silver Novillo Leather /Tech /Premium /19" /DCT /Ipod 414hp
Appreciate 0
      08-29-2010, 02:04 AM   #128
SnakeKiller
Private
1
Rep
99
Posts

 
Drives: Ford F150
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: San diego

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoobe View Post
Saw the Jay Leno video, that exhaust on the LS is so bad ass. Reminded me of a friend who had a 62 Impala w/ a 409ci with dumps. Gets your attention.
it sure will, from what i herd you get a different(good) feeling inside
Appreciate 0
      11-19-2010, 02:07 PM   #129
Genericuser1
Captain
7
Rep
619
Posts

 
Drives: M3 Convertible
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: usa

iTrader: (0)

Boss 302 Priced

From autoblog

Quote:
Ford has yet to officially release pricing for the 2012 Mustang Boss 302, but a forum member over at TheMustangSource.com with some inside information has revealed that the special edition pony car will retail for $40,995 including destination and delivery. This places the Boss 302 almost squarely in the middle between the Mustang GT and the Shelby GT500.

While certain things like a navigation system won't be available, Boss 302 customers will have a few options to choose from. Recaro seats and a Torsen differential adds $1,995, an Accessory Package with floor mats and car cover go for an extra $475, and Yellow Blaze Tri-Coat paint is an additional $495. The track-oriented Laguna Seca Package comes in at a grand total of $47,990.

At first we weren't sure about the complete accuracy of the information, but a representative at Ford has confirmed these numbers and options
Appreciate 0
      11-19-2010, 05:39 PM   #130
Gearhead999s
Major General
Gearhead999s's Avatar
93
Rep
6,814
Posts

 
Drives: F25 2.8d(wifes)F82 M4
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (0)

I just ordered mine and one for a client this aft.The ordering info for Canada was released today.Now I just have wait and see if I get the LS without being raped by our own dealer
Appreciate 0
      11-19-2010, 08:01 PM   #131
Gearhead999s
Major General
Gearhead999s's Avatar
93
Rep
6,814
Posts

 
Drives: F25 2.8d(wifes)F82 M4
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stingray23 View Post
Cool! Keep us updated with the whole process. Which color did you get?
A Black Laguna Seca.This is not intended to be a DD.The M3 will be much better for that duty.

Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:25 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST