Apex EC-7/Toyo R888 Review

CSBM5 · 04-29-2014, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Curt2000

I meant w/spacers, you loose the hub weather you are on studs or lugs and I know plenty of people running spacers at the track.

BUT...there is a huge difference in a fully hubcentric spacer that is supported by the hub and then provides a hub itself as part of the design for the wheel bore to bear loads into versus a spacer that isn't hubcentric and does not allow loads to be borne by the hub... The later I would never consider using, track or not.

chris s · 04-29-2014, 08:12 AM

Riding on the lugs is a disaster waiting to happen... With our cars, hub-centric spacers are the only ones to really be considered. 5 and 8 mm are notoriously bad b/c they aren't hub-centric and they leave too little hub exposed for the rim to sit properly. Surprised you're not experiencing horrible shimmy and vibrations at high speeds.

You're better off raising the suspension to clear or running a setup with shorter springs as slicer suggested. just my .02

1M_@teewhybs · 04-29-2014, 10:07 AM

Thanks for the countless reviews Curt.

Curt2000 · 04-29-2014, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CSBM5

BUT...there is a huge difference in a fully hubcentric spacer that is supported by the hub and then provides a hub itself as part of the design for the wheel bore to bear loads into versus a spacer that isn't hubcentric and does not allow loads to be borne by the hub... The later I would never consider using, track or not.

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Originally Posted by chris s

Riding on the lugs is a disaster waiting to happen... With our cars, hub-centric spacers are the only ones to really be considered. 5 and 8 mm are notoriously bad b/c they aren't hub-centric and they leave too little hub exposed for the rim to sit properly. Surprised you're not experiencing horrible shimmy and vibrations at high speeds.

You're better off raising the suspension to clear or running a setup with shorter springs as slicer suggested. just my .02

Alright I'm following what you are saying you now, I'll be sure to remove the rear 5mm spacer and push up to a 10mm hub-centric spacer and really dial up the camber and raise the ride height to prevent rubbing.

Thanks for the help!

Curt2000 · 04-29-2014, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 1M_@teewhybs

Thanks for the countless reviews Curt.

You're welcome! I post them trying to help out the community but a lot of times the dialogue with other users who have used the part helps me out!

C-M2 · 04-29-2014, 06:56 PM

What offsets are you running? Car looks good!

thorny · 04-29-2014, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Curt2000

Says the hub extenders will work with 8mm on E9x on the front hub only.

I haven't found any rubber on the fender yet and have been taking some good high speed corners around town, I suspect it will rub if I hit a bump while cornering at lower speeds but that is more of a function of me having the height set a little lower than recommended for a nice stance for all the photoshoots and shows. Even at the current ride height I can prevent rubbing by maxing out the camber but haven't because I don't want to deal with uneven wear for daily driving.

I really enjoy your threads! Glad we are like minded with our wheel set-up!

Thanks mate! I am glad you dont rub, on mine its enough just to turn the wheels and come outside. The wheel is in contact with the fender.

I tried to call VAC all day today, they dont pick up the phone or response to emails - i guess it is one way of running business.. Probably busy building
race cars

thorny · 04-30-2014, 10:55 AM

VAC responded saying that they do not offer a hub extender for the M. They suggested that others may, but didn't specify who.

chris s · 04-30-2014, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by thorny

VAC responded saying that they do not offer a hub extender for the M. They suggested that others may, but didn't specify who.

Pretty sure they don't exist. Turner makes them for tons of other models, but not the e9x M3. Probably for a reason....

Curt2000 · 04-30-2014, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Smg Ftw

What offsets are you running? Car looks good!

ET25

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Originally Posted by thorny

VAC responded saying that they do not offer a hub extender for the M. They suggested that others may, but didn't specify who.

Yeah mine definitely are not hubcentric, no vibration though...

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Originally Posted by chris s

Pretty sure they don't exist. Turner makes them for tons of other models, but not the e9x M3. Probably for a reason....

I may just have to bump it up to a 10mm or else do the spring mod to the CS's

whats77inaname · 04-30-2014, 04:24 PM

That is *insane*! LOVE the look! Good job, man!

M3SQRD · 05-01-2014, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by slicer

I don't think hub extenders work with the e9x hub. I don't think he used one (nowhere in his post did he say that he did) and he stated that the wheels were hub-centric in the post above.

In his OP he stated he used a "specialty 8 mm spacer from VAC...". If you click on the link I included and you read the three tables VAC has listed, the bottom list shows they make hub extenders for the e9x (may or may not include the M3?). Sorry if I misread his OP.

M3SQRD · 05-01-2014, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Curt2000

I read up on the turner spacers and the E9X was not listed as a compatible model in their spacer 7.5mm description. I needed 7-8mm specifically to clear the spring by .5mm and also clear the fender on a reasonable amount of negative camber ~1.5 degrees.

Sorry if my post suggested Turner made hub extenders for the e9x M3. It would be nice if they did

L8_Brake · 06-03-2014, 11:00 PM

I run a 10mm Macht Schnell hubcentric spacer in the front to fit 18x10 +25 on KW's. It has the built in "lip extension"

Stronie · 03-24-2016, 11:52 AM

Hate to resurrect a dead thread, but I watched Nick Murray latest video (BMW Meet) and there was a sweet E90M3 with EC-7s that looked awesome.

Check it out.

nmehta211 · 04-06-2016, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Stronie

Hate to resurrect a dead thread, but I watched Nick Murray latest video (BMW Meet) and there was a sweet E90M3 with EC-7s that looked awesome.

Check it out.

That is a sweet look and setup. Makes me want to change out my ARC 8 to the EC-7.

Hujan · 04-06-2016, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nmehta211

That is a sweet look and setup. Makes me want to change out my ARC 8 to the EC-7.

Funny. I have a set of clean EC-7s that I want to trade for Arc-8s! I guess the grass is always greener!

GO-RAN · 04-07-2016, 10:43 AM

I have the EC-7 in 18's in my E92 and love them. Just wish they were gloss black instead of satin

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04-30-2014, 10:55 AM	#30
thorny Captain 83 Rep 954 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Texas iTrader: (9)	VAC responded saying that they do not offer a hub extender for the M. They suggested that others may, but didn't specify who.
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L8_Brake New Member 0 Rep 23 Posts Drives: 2009 E92 M3 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: San Diego, CA iTrader: (0)	I run a 10mm Macht Schnell hubcentric spacer in the front to fit 18x10 +25 on KW's. It has the built in "lip extension"
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GO-RAN Private First Class 20 Rep 146 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	I have the EC-7 in 18's in my E92 and love them. Just wish they were gloss black instead of satin
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