M3 to M4 migration

TheDeliverator · 02-04-2013, 09:26 PM

M4? Maybe... I'm sure it's going to look badass, but will the ///M division be allowed to make a special car? It appears the Accounting and Marketing departments may be gaining a little to much sway in Munich. Sure, the new M4 will sell really well, but will the new voices at BMW rest too much on ///M divisions reputation? If they slap an ///M badge on a less then stellar vehicle, they will eventually end up losing customers.

Yes, gas prices are getting higher and turbo provides cheap power, but where is the innovation in the M4's engine? ///M has long been known for special engines and yes, the engine in the M4 is a fine piece of engineering, but it is no longer cutting edge engineering. AMG is keeping the V8, Ford's V8 Coyote is special and gets excellent millage. BMW seems to be going backwards. Who buys an M to sip on gas? Apparently the customers BMW marketing is targeting. [-JetFalcons Dad!] The gas sippers can have their regular 3 and 4 series. Let ///M Division off the leash.

Anyways, I wasn't planning on ranting...

More excited about the M2 right now (see it's not just a big V8 I'm interested in), and as a class of 2013 owner; I've got plenty of time to let BMW help me decide where and with whom to spend.

e92livin · 02-04-2013, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by E92Hwo2

Never going to get first year of model

+1 buddy

X2Board · 02-04-2013, 09:44 PM

Since I'm a sedan kind of guy, I'll add an F80 to the E90 at some point. definitely not the first year, and I'll probably wait for the inevitable LCI.

Mike van D · 02-04-2013, 11:30 PM

No idea at this point...need it to be released and assess it then.

Stainless 45 · 02-04-2013, 11:42 PM

I'll pass. M's peaked with the current e92. Porsche has had turbo six's figured out for some time now. BMW not so much. More cylinders > less for us. The only thing which could eclipse my current M3 might be a Shelby GT500. Possibly an M6, though I don't see a $120k car in my near future.

slicer · 02-04-2013, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic311

You sir, have the gift of common sense..rarely observed in the wild..

I will take that as a compliment.

Technic · 02-05-2013, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by E92Hwo2

Never going to get first year of model

x3.14

ChrisK · 02-05-2013, 06:19 AM

I'll keep the e92 M3.

Next car-> 911 Carrera S or Carrera S Cabriolet

The wife has already given the thumbs up to either. Whata wife!!!!

ortho281 · 02-05-2013, 07:59 AM

I will probably get the M4 in a couple of years and turn the E92 M3 into a dedicated track car.

flanast · 02-05-2013, 08:17 AM

I'll wait until the new model has been out a few years to make sure the bugs are worked out and then compare against the new Z06 and GT3. I am not a turbo fan after having owned a 2007 335 but keeping an open mind on the tri turbo.

davesaddiction · 02-05-2013, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDeliverator

More excited about the M2 right now

Same here. If all of M is going turbo, I'd rather go smaller/lighter if I get another M some day.

swartzentruber · 02-05-2013, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDeliverator

M4? Maybe... I'm sure it's going to look badass, but will the ///M division be allowed to make a special car? It appears the Accounting and Marketing departments may be gaining a little to much sway in Munich. Sure, the new M4 will sell really well, but will the new voices at BMW rest too much on ///M divisions reputation? If they slap an ///M badge on a less then stellar vehicle, they will eventually end up losing customers.

Yes, gas prices are getting higher and turbo provides cheap power, but where is the innovation in the M4's engine? ///M has long been known for special engines and yes, the engine in the M4 is a fine piece of engineering, but it is no longer cutting edge engineering. AMG is keeping the V8, Ford's V8 Coyote is special and gets excellent millage. BMW seems to be going backwards. Who buys an M to sip on gas? Apparently the customers BMW marketing is targeting. [-JetFalcons Dad!] The gas sippers can have their regular 3 and 4 series. Let ///M Division off the leash.

Anyways, I wasn't planning on ranting...

More excited about the M2 right now (see it's not just a big V8 I'm interested in), and as a class of 2013 owner; I've got plenty of time to let BMW help me decide where and with whom to spend.

+1 to pretty much all of this sentiment. I'm not terribly sure why a substantial contingent are convinced the new M3/M4 will be substantially better than the current generation. The new M5/M6 don't seem to be exactly setting the world on fire, if you refer to recent mag reviews.

I'm disappointed that while many of their direct or indirect competitors are sticking with a V8, BMW thinks it can be successful downsizing the engine to a 6. One of the reasons I went to the M3 from my 335 was missing the responsiveness (and sound) of NA. I also just don't get why BMW needs to make every generation bigger. The current 3 is a decent enough size, if possibly too big.

I guess I'll wait and see, but right now I'd say the odds of making the switch are doubtful.

tommy94gt · 02-05-2013, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by carbon//m3

When I had an e46 I said I would never get an e92, one test drive and I have an e92 lol. So will have to wait and see.

That's my story exactly! And I was warned too lol

Gkap · 02-05-2013, 10:43 PM

nope.

sycd · 02-05-2013, 10:53 PM

I'll have to drive it and see the final thing to know for sure, but from what we've seen of the 4 series so far and the rumor mill, I'm disappointed by the larger size and rumors of the demise of the V8. Looking forward to seeing what the M2 will be like, and might look at AMG more closely next time.

So far my 2012 E92 has not even 5k miles, so I'm planning to keep it for a few more years. If it holds up mechanically and ages well maybe for quite a while longer.

rorystewart · 02-05-2013, 11:14 PM

What do LCI and ZCP stand for? I did a forum search but couldn't easily find a definition.

Vic311 · 02-05-2013, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rorystewart

What do LCI and ZCP stand for? I did a forum search but couldn't easily find a definition.

Heard of google?

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=437487

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=512804

AbuArije5 · 02-06-2013, 12:06 AM

For those who are looking at gt3 or porsche turbo those damn prices are stable man aren't they!! I would love an gt3 rs pretty rare these days i seen one go for 150,000

luis_m3 · 02-06-2013, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dgarcia41982

I am a riff raff! That being said, i will wait till 2017 so i can afford the 2014.

I think I'll do the same later... 2016/17

quiksi · 02-06-2013, 02:58 PM

possibly the LCI 4 door when that comes out, but defnitely no plans to pay early adopter prices

Longbow64 · 02-06-2013, 03:06 PM

In 2018 I may think about buying a used 2016 M4 Gran Coupe. Hopefully there's a special edition of each car for BMW's 100th anniversary.

darnelld · 02-07-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by carbon//m3

When I had an e46 I said I would never get an e92, one test drive and I have an e92 lol. So will have to wait and see.

HA! Did the same thing. I now have an '06 ZCP and and '08 E90.

02-04-2013, 09:26 PM	#45
TheDeliverator First Lieutenant 11 Rep 393 Posts Drives: A Singularity Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: MD iTrader: (1) Garage List 2013 BMW M3 [0.00]	M4? Maybe... I'm sure it's going to look badass, but will the ///M division be allowed to make a special car? It appears the Accounting and Marketing departments may be gaining a little to much sway in Munich. Sure, the new M4 will sell really well, but will the new voices at BMW rest too much on ///M divisions reputation? If they slap an ///M badge on a less then stellar vehicle, they will eventually end up losing customers. Yes, gas prices are getting higher and turbo provides cheap power, but where is the innovation in the M4's engine? ///M has long been known for special engines and yes, the engine in the M4 is a fine piece of engineering, but it is no longer cutting edge engineering. AMG is keeping the V8, Ford's V8 Coyote is special and gets excellent millage. BMW seems to be going backwards. Who buys an M to sip on gas? Apparently the customers BMW marketing is targeting. [-JetFalcons Dad!] The gas sippers can have their regular 3 and 4 series. Let ///M Division off the leash. Anyways, I wasn't planning on ranting... More excited about the M2 right now (see it's not just a big V8 I'm interested in), and as a class of 2013 owner; I've got plenty of time to let BMW help me decide where and with whom to spend. __________________ V1C / Bel STiR+ / Integrated mirror display / AD08r f255/35 r275/35 / IND Euro Bumper / MP Splitters / MP Steering Wheel
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02-04-2013, 11:42 PM	#49
Stainless 45 Captain 87 Rep 602 Posts Drives: Last of the V-8 Interceptors Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Long Island, NY iTrader: (1)	I'll pass. M's peaked with the current e92. Porsche has had turbo six's figured out for some time now. BMW not so much. More cylinders > less for us. The only thing which could eclipse my current M3 might be a Shelby GT500. Possibly an M6, though I don't see a $120k car in my near future. __________________ Blue Thunder -2011 LeMans Blue e92 DCT, ZCP, European Delivery. BPM Stage II. Dinan 3.45 Rear. Borla/Encore Innovation Exhaust, LUX Angel Eyes, Forgestar F14's, Turner road armor. "Last of the V-8 Interceptors, a real piece of history..."
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sycd Captain 247 Rep 640 Posts Drives: G87 M2 [MT] Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: USA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2023 BMW M2 [MT] [0.00] 2020 BMW X3M [0.00]	I'll have to drive it and see the final thing to know for sure, but from what we've seen of the 4 series so far and the rumor mill, I'm disappointed by the larger size and rumors of the demise of the V8. Looking forward to seeing what the M2 will be like, and might look at AMG more closely next time. So far my 2012 E92 has not even 5k miles, so I'm planning to keep it for a few more years. If it holds up mechanically and ages well maybe for quite a while longer.
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AbuArije5 First Lieutenant 11 Rep 353 Posts Drives: Non Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: New York iTrader: (1)	For those who are looking at gt3 or porsche turbo those damn prices are stable man aren't they!! I would love an gt3 rs pretty rare these days i seen one go for 150,000
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