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Gay?? I suppose you lay waste every time you show up.
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I am not sure what his experience of auto-x was, but if it was "gay", it sounds like he was doing it wrong!
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In your video your car was rolling backwards. Even if the DCT downshifted to S1 was it still in gear while Illinois backwards? I would think that can't be good and if it was a manual car I would engage the clutch. How does the DCT account for a spin like this when the car rolls backwards? Is it smart enough to put it in neutral? If it doesn't is there any damage to the engine or being jn gear and rolling backwards?
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There's been some pretty good and interesting advice in this thread. You can get away with a lot more with smooth inputs, so that's probably been my biggest focus over my last few years of tracking. Driving the Kink at Road America is probably one of the best spots to practice slow inputs at a high speed corner.
I did flash back, though, to some of the previous argumentative threads on this forum about turning DSC off at the track, and this thread likely provides a good argument for weaning off of it as soon as possible (though going DSC off and first time on rcomps the same weekend is likely asking for trouble). I'll agree with the above comment about the best way to learn is exceending the limits, but preferably in small ways vs large. A great learning experience for me was driving in snow this past winter a few times in A/S tires (I have winters for my M3, but not the R). I Realize A/S in snow isn't the best idea, but it was great skid practice, since the A/S slid much easier than winters would have, so I got great practice feeling and correcting.
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One of the tricks to getting away from DSC is to drive the track at 9/10 or "aggressive" and not have the light flash. If you see it flashing at you and you either don't feel why or actually felt it change the yaw of the car...you shouldn't turn it off, yet.
In other words...think of DSC as a wet track simulator. The inputs that trigger DSC intervention are often the same things that you cannot get away with on a slick track. DSC can be used as a "check ride" in otherwords. It doesn't help recovery or real car control...but it does help keep the car balanced, understand taking a "set", and rewards smoothness.
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However DSC/MDM can do quick interventions without flashing the light in the dash. A more experienced driver will feel it kicking in, but a more novice one might not. This could give him a false sense of car control. |
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Honestly, my experience with DSC are all in E46's (and ASC in older)...which I think are a little slower and more crude.
I didn't know the cars will intervene without presenting an indicator...I've never felt it without seeing it. Must wear thinner pants.
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For me, the decision to go with stickier tires was hard to figure out. Until my first weekend on the Conti slicks. I thought it was significantly different especially since I had really dialed in my car and was very comfortable with it. Then the slicks threw me off. I think I am ready because now I am confident with oversteer, feeling things with my butt , and sliding the car around a little bit.
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A car control clinic with a good variable grip skid pad can really accelerate the learning curve dramatically. Until you get all crossed up and save it, you just don't know how fast things can happen and how much you can do to save things, so long as you act early. Dave
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Denis, email me the data of your spin. Let me take a look
There should be four files for each session (.dat, .drk, .gpk, .rrk).
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I guess I should not have used that word but what I meant was I don't find it fun to do it for competition. I'm there to sharpen up my skills, precision and finese and most importantly to find the limits of the car. It doesn't get my blood pumping at all.
Well, no DE organization is going to encourage you to spin the car on their track. I went through my stint at the Nurburgring without a spin but that's because there is no margin for error on that track and I was no where near the limits. Also, as dcstep said, the progression is much slower. I have not done a skidpad yet and would jump on the opportunity if given the chance but I am able to drift around cones on an AutoX quite easily so I don't think it is completely necessary in my case. |
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I think you have to practice getting out of "oh shit, I'm gonna crash" mode when the backend steps out and work on getting into calm, quick countersteer, bring the wheel back and throttle control mode.
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how modified is your car? i would still be running stock suspension if i was you. its tempting but going to modified suspensions and sticky rubber too soon makes it too hard to learn limits in an incremental manner...at least thats what i've learned.
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Jumping to heavily track prepped or race car slows your progress IMO. The more capable the car, the more capable the driver should be. I would recommend to the OP to do a handful of auto-x days if he hasn't already. While Autox driving is generally much choppier than on track, it does acquaint you with the limits of the car quickly. Granted, sideways at 45mph is different than at 90mph...but better than nothing. |
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