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05-30-2008, 05:46 AM | #23 |
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My bad and my apology, I misread your original post.
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05-30-2008, 11:55 AM | #24 | |
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Clearly folks who live in the US never or rarely driver there. The question of which road is being driven on has absolutely no bearing on which car is faster. |
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05-30-2008, 12:48 PM | #25 |
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The M3 got a 1 on the rebates/extras category the other 2 cars got a zero. I don't remember getting any rebates/extra on mine. hmmm
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Yeah, according to the article, the M3 has a minor weight advantage, but far from enough to make up the difference. Quote:
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Please, tell me about how the M3's horsepower is different (and better than) the Porsche's horsepower. Or leave if you wish. That may be a better option for you, since you'll be unable to defend your point. Bruce |
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05-31-2008, 01:15 PM | #28 | |
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It's just nice that we keep seeing M3s winning comparison tests, even though this one was stupid and really for the most part, wrong. Would I rather have a 911 Turbo over an M3? Hell yeah! But if I could have a Porsche I would go all out, and get a Carrera GT, those are amazing, and the exhaust note is better than almost anything on the road right now.
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You're more than welcome to stay Qship, just don't post things like you have. I have learned that M3 owners on this forum are obsessed with details, alot like myself, and if you don't have them right, or don't have a complete grasp on them, they have no problem with calling you out, even if those details make another car look better or be better than theirs. A 997 TT is faster than an M3. Plain and simple. I also believe that they didn't keep up with you, but the thing I think you're failing to realize is that you have no idea how hard the drivers in the Porsches were going at it. You have no idea how much their feet were on the accelerator, and have no idea how fast they were shifting. So unless you're able to prove this, everyone, including myself, isn't going to believe the M3 is faster, especially when we have facts, figures, and knowledge that tells us the exact opposite.
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05-31-2008, 02:25 PM | #30 |
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Can the M6 blow the hell out of an M3? Answer: HELL YES. We know what the 997tt can do to an M6 So tell me, do you really believe that your M3 can work with, never mind beat a 997tt. If you're hear an alarm bell at the moment it's your early morning wake up call from that fairytale you were in. |
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05-31-2008, 04:02 PM | #31 | |
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Obviously you've not sat in a 997TT with a fast driver behind the wheel, not to mention driven one. Not many car scares me (I even find the 997S with powerkit "a little slow"), but the 997TT at WOT does |
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05-31-2008, 09:09 PM | #32 |
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I didn't think when Qship was talking about beating a couple of 997tt on the Autobahn that there was to much handling finesse taking part, it is after all a pretty straight piece of motorway with the occasional slight bend thrown in for good measure.
I was only highlighting to absurdity of what he was suggesting, that an M3 could possibly match or even better a car with less weight, much more power and torque, that was designed to run at 200mph or there abouts all day long. If BMW's most powerful car gets a whipping by a stock 997tt then what chance has it's little, less powerful brother got to offer. The answer ........... zip. Like anyone here I want a discussion to stay in the realms of believability. It's a similar thing when the M3 is compared to the GTR, the M3 is a rival to the C63, IS-F & RS4, and a bloody good job it does on competing with these and in most cases winning them battles, but it's no nearer a rival to either a GTR or 997tt than a Ford Fiesta is to it. |
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06-03-2008, 01:35 PM | #35 |
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No you are not!!!!!
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06-03-2008, 01:46 PM | #36 |
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Take a look at the power chart of both cars... where in 997TT rpm range do you see the E92 M3 having an advantage?
Lets say both cars are WOT and the 997TT driver upshift at max power 6500rpm. Even with the drop in rpm in the next higher gear, he still has more power than M3's max at 8300rpm. |
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Check your facts bro, the 997TT is capable of 185mph, if not more. I will state this ONCE AGAIN: You have no idea in hell, if he was at full throttle, so all these little figures and comparisons you're throwing out don't mean jack shit, if you cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt that he was nailing it and going at it hard. Number 2, you haven't stated whether he dropped down a gear, if he started in 6th and you started in 4th, I could see that happen, but it doesn't mean that you "beat" them in the sense that the M3 is faster than the Porsche, BECAUSE IT ISN'T. I feel like I'm talking to my damn dog. It listens to what I have to say though...
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06-03-2008, 02:17 PM | #40 |
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Qship, you honestly think that the 997tt with 480hp ,200lbs lighter, better grip with AWD is slower than your 414hp M3 regardless of what type of race, you're kidding right. Don't need an engineer or a racer car driver to figure this out.
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06-03-2008, 02:27 PM | #42 |
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Don't bother guys! We've been through all this on another post. This guy is simply out of this world!! here you go http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...16#post2767016
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06-03-2008, 08:43 PM | #43 |
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Honestly Qship, I think you should have gone with original plan and leave, you still might have had SOME credibility left among the world's M3 enthusiasts. I still can't believe this argument, We have proven with facts beyond reasonable doubt that if both drivers were accelerating in the same gear, pedal to the floor, that the M3 would have it's ass handed to it on a platinum platter. This idiot thinks that the M3 is faster than something that weighs less, makes more 70 more hp, and has almost twice the torque. You don't deserve to have an M3, there should be an IQ assessment before handing over the keys from now on. One word: Ignorance
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06-03-2008, 11:10 PM | #44 | |
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Starting in fourth at, say, 100 mph or so, the Porsche will have the advantage right up to its rev-limited top speed of around 185 or so. There will be certain speeds where the M3 can minimize it's power to weight problem by being able to begin the contest in a lower gear than the Porsche (and this type of circumstance would also be true of any car against any other car). However. it still wouldn't be able to keep up. By the way, you still haven't answered my question, which was: "Just how is turbocharged horsepower inferior to normally aspirated high rev horsepower?" Bruce |
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