Can 09 idrive be installed on 08?

[SchnellM3]

Since we're talking about this can this change also be made in a 2009 X6? Its such a pain going from the quick easy nav in the M with all the quick buttons, to the nav in the X6 with its restart mono button

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by SchnellM3

Since we're talking about this can this change also be made in a 2009 X6? Its such a pain going from the quick easy nav in the M with all the quick buttons, to the nav in the X6 with its restart mono button

X6 would use the same CIC, the iDrive screen may be different - I would have to look into this. Coding should be similar.

[SCtud]

Anybody know what the life cycle on the CIC might be? Obviously a difficult question to answer, but it would suck to update to the CIC only for some new shiny version to be released and make us feel outdated again.

[Patrys@BimmerTech]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

X6 would use the same CIC, the iDrive screen may be different - I would have to look into this. Coding should be similar.

The X5/6 CIC and CID are very different from those in E9x vehicles.
As far as the coding is concerned this might be a challenge in some X5/X6 vehicles

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by SCtud

Anybody know what the life cycle on the CIC might be? Obviously a difficult question to answer, but it would suck to update to the CIC only for some new shiny version to be released and make us feel outdated again.

Thus is technology, it's the way it goes.

[Patrys@BimmerTech]

Originally Posted by SCtud

Anybody know what the life cycle on the CIC might be? Obviously a difficult question to answer, but it would suck to update to the CIC only for some new shiny version to be released and make us feel outdated again.

You can already see some differences between the 2009, 2010 and 2011 CIC versions. And some of the new features require much more than just a new version of the CIC head unit.
It's really hard to be up to date all the time, but the CIC is a great upgrade for the CCC no matter which version you will get.
To me it's like Windows 98 vs Windows 7

[mdosu]

A quick question:

I'm not looking for a software update, will the new '09/'10 idrive controller be fully functional with my old 08 system? Will all the buttons and functions work (is it simply plug and play?)?

[Technic]

Originally Posted by mdosu

A quick question:

I'm not looking for a software update, will the new '09/'10 idrive controller be fully functional with my old 08 system? Will all the buttons and functions work (is it simply plug and play?)?

Search please... there's a thread specifically about what you are asking for.

[mdrobc13]

Originally Posted by mdosu

A quick question:

I'm not looking for a software update, will the new '09/'10 idrive controller be fully functional with my old 08 system? Will all the buttons and functions work (is it simply plug and play?)?

Yes..I have retrofitted the new 09+ controller into my 08 M3 and it works fine with all the same functions but they are now controlled by buttons instead of the single wheel. No re-programming needed. As for trying to upgrade to the 09+ everyone is right...it would cost a small fortune and you'd likely would be better off in a trade for a new car if needed. It is likely that even if you could get all the parts to fit and plug in together that the cars's computer controller may reject the upgrade and not accept the new 09+ parts as the car wasn't coded in Germany to them...sort of like adding a new video card to your old Windows XP computer only for it to not accept it and not function cause they drivers and software are unable to talk to each other or the hardware is too old. I believe others have had similar problems with electronic upgrades/retrofits in late model BMW's before. Good luck.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by mdrobc13

Yes..I have retrofitted the new 09+ controller into my 08 M3 and it works fine with all the same functions but they are now controlled by buttons instead of the single wheel. No re-programming needed. As for trying to upgrade to the 09+ everyone is right...it would cost a small fortune and you'd likely would be better off in a trade for a new car if needed. It is likely that even if you could get all the parts to fit and plug in together that the cars's computer controller may reject the upgrade and not accept the new 09+ parts as the car wasn't coded in Germany to them...sort of like adding a new video card to your old Windows XP computer only for it to not accept it and not function cause they drivers and software are unable to talk to each other or the hardware is too old. I believe others have had similar problems with electronic upgrades/retrofits in late model BMW's before. Good luck.

Done right the iDrive swap is around $2100-$2400, and that is before selling the current iDrive if you want to reduce the cost. And there's no "rejection" if you code the iDrive to your VIN, which is part of the cost anyways.

So please, no misinformation in this thread.

[SCtud]

Still waiting for EAS to release a US CIC to the masses!

[Patrys@BimmerTech]

Originally Posted by mdrobc13

Yes..I have retrofitted the new 09+ controller into my 08 M3 and it works fine with all the same functions but they are now controlled by buttons instead of the single wheel. No re-programming needed. As for trying to upgrade to the 09+ everyone is right...it would cost a small fortune and you'd likely would be better off in a trade for a new car if needed. It is likely that even if you could get all the parts to fit and plug in together that the cars's computer controller may reject the upgrade and not accept the new 09+ parts as the car wasn't coded in Germany to them...sort of like adding a new video card to your old Windows XP computer only for it to not accept it and not function cause they drivers and software are unable to talk to each other or the hardware is too old. I believe others have had similar problems with electronic upgrades/retrofits in late model BMW's before. Good luck.

The CIC retrofit kit consisting of OEM parts only:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=428428

At the moment I only have the Euro spec CIC (no HD Radio in the US), but have some US spec units occasionally and one lucky customer grabbed one last week

[mdrobc13]

Originally Posted by Technic

Done right the iDrive swap is around $2100-$2400, and that is before selling the current iDrive if you want to reduce the cost. And there's no "rejection" if you code the iDrive to your VIN, which is part of the cost anyways.

So please, no misinformation in this thread.

Technic...my apologies. Was going on "old" info from when I asked this question earlier about 1 yr ago and did some searching. Had NOT seen what Patrys has been doing and just spent the afternoon going thru all the info on the M5 board as this one. Yes looks to be doable and hell I may take it up myself as the new screens are awesome. My only concerns would be:

1) Is there the inability to have your car serviced at the dealer without having to swap your car's CIC back to the CCC unit each time?
2) Would you ever be able to update the car's coding without doing #1 above? Has anyone had any problems from their dealers?
3) Does such a retrofit void out the remaining warranty on my 08 M3?
4) That future updates and support would at this time be dependant on Patrys who at some point may or may not be able to support such services (would hope this is never the case..but times change as do vendors and I plan on having my car a very long time)?

But yes the cost does seem more reasonable than swapping out/trading the car especially when/if you have put alot of effort into mods and such (as I have done with my car) or its an individual color or something (mine is Sparkling Gray Mettalic a color not made in the M3's anymore which I absolutely love!) IF like you said you sell your old idrive unit (to whom?) but I'd say you may need it in the future for those service calls!

No harm intended Technic...thanks for provoking a search and update of the info and my knowledge base! Will be following your updates as well as Tom@EAS with increased interest!

[mdrobc13]

Originally Posted by tom @ eas

We have a beta module being tested on a CiC retrofit as we speak, everything is performing up to spec.

Will this be your next mod offered for sourcing of parts and upgrade? Are you guys going to post an upgrade journal with pics as you've done previously...have followed and emulated (some) of your e92 mods with interest since getting my car!

[mdrobc13]

Originally Posted by Patrys

More reviews are coming soon. I am shipping a few kits this week, so please stand by

Me too..am concerned about updates to my car if this retrofit is installed and difficulty from dealers as to servicing it. But am following closely. Read all your threads and posts this afternoon...wow. Great new info...that I wasn't aware was available!

[SECRET M]

will retro fitting to the 2011 US model CIC mean that the new nuance voice control benefits are also ported over?

i'm really interested in doing this and would prefer not buying a new M3 to get my nav up to date.. just a lot of overhead/cost involved in de-modding etc.

[mdrobc13]

Originally Posted by SECRET M

will retro fitting to the 2011 US model CIC mean that the new nuance voice control benefits are also ported over?

i'm really interested in doing this and would prefer not buying a new M3 to get my nav up to date.. just a lot of overhead/cost involved in de-modding etc.

My concerns too..I see it like this...I have Dinan suspension upgrades, Dinan ECU upgrade, stainless steel brake kit, CF lip/spoiler, F1 Ceramic tint, VMR710 wheel upgrade all around, 09 idrive controller/trim upgrade/smokers delete/Sirrus Radio/ipod/BT, and an Eisennman Sport exhaust upgrades in my car plus it is Sparkling Gray Mettalic which is not made any longer in the M3 (was only an 08 color option) and I really like my color alot.

Car is 99% where I want it to be and this would make it complete...till now I would have to spec order a brand new one to get this especially with my color...not an option I'd like to see as it would be more costly than a retrofit am sure in trade lost vs sale price as I got my car via military sales at a significant value. So can't really see selling the car at $45-50k plus removing all my mods just to have them retrofitted on a new 09 or 10+ car if you factor in cost differential lost on the trade and labor for removal and re-install of some of these items. SO I too am looking closely at this and the reviews. Definately want to see what Tom@EAS has to say/show!

[Patrys@BimmerTech]

Originally Posted by mdrobc13

Me too..am concerned about updates to my car if this retrofit is installed and difficulty from dealers as to servicing it. But am following closely. Read all your threads and posts this afternoon...wow. Great new info...that I wasn't aware was available!

Anyone interested in doing this retrofit has to be aware that he will HAVE TO put his old Navigation or Radio back in the car if he wants to have the car software updated by a dealership.

I have delivered many retrofit kits to forum members worldwide, so if have any specific questions just let me know.
You can also have a look at my sales thread:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=428428

[Technic]

Originally Posted by mdrobc13

Technic...my apologies. Was going on "old" info from when I asked this question earlier about 1 yr ago and did some searching. Had NOT seen what Patrys has been doing and just spent the afternoon going thru all the info on the M5 board as this one. Yes looks to be doable and hell I may take it up myself as the new screens are awesome. My only concerns would be:

1) Is there the inability to have your car serviced at the dealer without having to swap your car's CIC back to the CCC unit each time?
2) Would you ever be able to update the car's coding without doing #1 above? Has anyone had any problems from their dealers?
3) Does such a retrofit void out the remaining warranty on my 08 M3?
4) That future updates and support would at this time be dependant on Patrys who at some point may or may not be able to support such services (would hope this is never the case..but times change as do vendors and I plan on having my car a very long time)?

But yes the cost does seem more reasonable than swapping out/trading the car especially when/if you have put alot of effort into mods and such (as I have done with my car) or its an individual color or something (mine is Sparkling Gray Mettalic a color not made in the M3's anymore which I absolutely love!) IF like you said you sell your old idrive unit (to whom?) but I'd say you may need it in the future for those service calls!

No harm intended Technic...thanks for provoking a search and update of the info and my knowledge base! Will be following your updates as well as Tom@EAS with increased interest!

There was no harm, just like you said "old information"...

I have serviced my car without swapping the CIC back to CCC, and my two local dealers have seen my CIC setup and the only thing that they have commented is "great job". Actually, one BMW senior tech helped me by calling Assist and making my account compatible with Google MyInfo, so I can receive Google Maps messages thru the CIC... most probably the only MY2008 M3 in the USA that can receive them.

In the case that my M3 would require a software update then I will put the CCC back in, a 20 minute job. If the CIC requires a software update there could be a way of doing that thru Autologic, but I have not tried that procedure yet. However, I already updated the CIC map data with 2010 maps.

[Technic]

Originally Posted by SECRET M

will retro fitting to the 2011 US model CIC mean that the new nuance voice control benefits are also ported over?

i'm really interested in doing this and would prefer not buying a new M3 to get my nav up to date.. just a lot of overhead/cost involved in de-modding etc.

IMO, right now the only CIC that should be swapped is the 2011.5 CIC as it is the best platform for future upgrades, like the Nuance Voice Control, built-in Sirius with TiVo-like recording features and most important of all, the capability of adding the Combox -with all the new iPod, and dual channel Bluetooth features it has- once a retrofit harness is created.

[mdrobc13]

Originally Posted by Technic

There was no harm, just like you said "old information"...

I have serviced my car without swapping the CIC back to CCC, and my two local dealers have seen my CIC setup and the only thing that they have commented is "great job". Actually, one BMW senior tech helped me by calling Assist and making my account compatible with Google MyInfo, so I can receive Google Maps messages thru the CIC... most probably the only MY2008 M3 in the USA that can receive them.

In the case that my M3 would require a software update then I will put the CCC back in, a 20 minute job. If the CIC requires a software update there could be a way of doing that thru Autologic, but I have not tried that procedure yet. However, I already updated the CIC map data with 2010 maps.

Hey Technic...what about Premium Audio? Do you know if that option works with this upgrade? What about Comfort Access?

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by mdrobc13

Hey Technic...what about Premium Audio? Do you know if that option works with this upgrade? What about Comfort Access?

We have a MY08 M3 Sedan with Premium Audio/Comfort Access withing with the CIC upgrade as we speak.