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03-25-2011, 08:27 AM | #1 |
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Proof of OE/Gintani dyno manipulation
A spin off of this thread: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=504140
This is a serious accusation and one that I do not make lightly, but there is no doubt in my mind that this is Gintani/OE dyno manipulation and it should be brought to light. Here are some quick mathematical comparisons/analysis with other tuners to illustrate how extremely unlikely a flat percentage increase in power across the board is: Active Autowerke: rpm % gain 2500 12.0% 3000 11.1% 3500 6.8% 4000 7.9% 4500 7.1% 5000 4.3% 5500 8.0% 6000 11.1% 6500 12.3% 7000 6.9% 7500 6.6% 8000 9.0% GIAC (tune+filter): rpm % gain 2500 8.2% 3000 10.5% 3500 4.0% 4000 3.7% 4500 4.9% 5000 5.9% 5500 5.7% 6000 6.7% 6500 5.8% 7000 6.3% 7500 5.2% 8000 6.0% Dinan (no graph) 6000 3.3% 8000 1.8% ESS: rpm % gain 2500 5.3% 3000 5.5% 3500 4.5% 4000 3.2% 4500 2.5% 5000 3.2% 5500 5.7% 6000 8.8% 6500 5.5% 7000 5.4% 7500 4.9% 8000 5.2% OE*: rpm % gain 2500 3000 3500 12.0% 4000 10.2% 4500 10.3% 5000 10.3% 5500 10.3% 6000 10.2% 6500 10.5% 7000 10.6% 7500 10.3% 8000 10.2% Uploaded with ImageShack.us Last edited by spdu4ea; 03-25-2011 at 11:59 AM.. Reason: removed Evolve from comparison per their request |
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Mike at Powerchip's own analysis:
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03-25-2011, 08:40 AM | #4 |
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I have seen plenty plenty dyno graphs as well as had my own cars dynod. You will never ever get a linear gain like the OE/Gintani one is showing. They fucked with the dyno settings. Plain and simple.
From what i have read about OE/Gintani being involved in lawsuits, Jeremy stealing PC files etc. They dont seem like anyone I would like to do business with. ESS/AA FTMFW Last edited by M3_FTW; 03-25-2011 at 08:45 AM.. |
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03-25-2011, 09:30 AM | #5 |
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hmmm very intersting indeed, thanks for the information. Is the same Gintani that does the exhausts and forced induction stuff??
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03-25-2011, 09:37 AM | #6 |
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Yes same Gintani. But I feel like their exhausts are solid, and have shown gains on various dynos.
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03-25-2011, 09:54 AM | #11 |
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Here we go again... Jeremy, OE Tuning, Alex, Gintani, Sticky, Powerchip, G-Power, et al... In Before the LOCK..
The West Coast, with all it's sunshine, is just so shady. IBTL
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03-25-2011, 09:56 AM | #12 |
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If that happens, I will consider this forum "for entertainment purposes only". I know this will hurt independent tuners universally but this is about information and transparency. I hope the truth comes out.
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It'll help those who are really making quality products.
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03-25-2011, 10:02 AM | #14 |
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It's only 7:48 in Cali. The Fanboy Marching Band will be here soon enough.
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It's important for the forum for the truth to come out. Either forum users are paying money to a sponsor and getting a great tune, or forum members being cheated out of their money on a bogus scam. I don't know which it is, but for the sake of the bimmerpost community it should be brought to light.
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03-25-2011, 10:11 AM | #16 |
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Oh yea..this is gonna be good lol
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03-25-2011, 10:26 AM | #18 |
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Yeah but you have a sweet video to go along with it
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I hear the trumpets and the bass...
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03-25-2011, 10:57 AM | #20 |
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For those complaining that the comparison wasn't fair because it wasn't stock vs tune...
RPM Stk OE rpm % gain 2500 3000 3500 165 168 3500 1.8% 4000 194 203 4000 4.6% 4500 217 227 4500 4.6% 5000 240 252 5000 5.0% 5500 262 275 5500 5.0% 6000 286 299 6000 4.5% 6500 305 320 6500 4.9% 7000 332 348 7000 4.8% 7500 338 355 7500 5.0% 8000 352 369 8000 4.8% Stock vs OE on a dynojet: speed % gain 55 9.9% 60 9.0% 65 6.4% 70 6.5% 75 8.3% 80 6.1% 85 5.7% 90 5.1% 95 4.9% 100 5.2% 105 4.4% 110 3.4% 115 1.7% |
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Wrong ..... Just plain wrong .... All the effort that gets put in to deceive people why don't they just steer that effort to actually bringing a product that works .....
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