Looking for input

SOCAL · 01-14-2010, 01:21 PM

As some may know from my other posts, I run the production portion of a small aerospace design and fabrication company. We specialize in the fabrication of high-tolerance, jet engine exhaust and turbine components. Because of this I have full access to a nice 15k square foot factory filled with CNC machines, press brakes, you name it! I have a new exhaust design in the works, but that is a ways out, in the mean time I am designing a new intake elbow. Mine will be made out of .066" thick 6061 T6 temper aircraft grade aluminum with an enlarged and redisigned flowpath and some nice machined hardware. Very very light and strong! They can be annodized to any color or ceramic coated to insulate the intake charge from engine heat. The concept is finished, design is done, just need to make tooling. Im looking to see if anyone has any input on what they would like to see done with this part, improvements, ideas, etc. Also, if anyone has any other ideas or things they would like to see made, please feel free to PM me, I am always looking for new products to take on in my spare time.

I have not worked out any numbers yet but I believe I could offer these intake elbows at a very, very reasonable price point, making them a very attractive mod.

Anyways, just looking for some input from some of you guys!

aus · 01-14-2010, 01:46 PM

I'd be interested, but I think people would want a dyno showing an improvement in power, or if it's cheap enough then people would get it just because it looks cool.

zamm3k · 01-14-2010, 03:03 PM

as stated by Aus, I think the first thing you should keep in mind WAY ABOVE anything else, is power. If you can make power with the design, it probably wouldn't matter if its purple with pink stripes, people would buy it.

After that you have to make it look nice. I personally like the look of raw looking materials. Specially when it comes to aluminum. And as for advice for the design (besides the ones I've already given) just make it easy to install on the stock intake box and intake charger.

chungdae · 01-14-2010, 03:43 PM

I would definitely be interested.

Cameraeye · 01-14-2010, 04:24 PM

test it extensively

SOCAL · 01-14-2010, 05:24 PM

I will definately get some dyno numbers done, we have an oldy but goody US Army bench flow tester we are going to use to get some flow numbers to help with the design. So far it looks cool on the computer, now just the tooling!

chungdae · 01-14-2010, 05:37 PM

If you want to send out some prototypes I would be willing to test it out as well; one of my buddies owns a shop and a dyno and let's me "experiment" form time to time and let me use his dyno as much as I want.

ChitownM3 · 01-14-2010, 05:56 PM

If it makes proven power for a decent price count me in!

SV Concepts II · 01-14-2010, 06:23 PM

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FStop7 · 01-14-2010, 06:31 PM

I might be interested, but keep in mind there is already a serious glut of exhaust products out there. You would have to do a lot to make yours stand out and if it were as high end as you say it would probably not be competitively priced. It would also need to show real gains.

As for intakes, I really don't see how the stock intake design lacks. There are aftermarket products that have yet to be independently tested, even though they've been on the market for a while.

SOCAL · 01-14-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chungdae

If you want to send out some prototypes I would be willing to test it out as well; one of my buddies owns a shop and a dyno and let's me "experiment" form time to time and let me use his dyno as much as I want.

I will most definately give you a buzz when the time comes.

SOCAL · 01-14-2010, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FStop7

I might be interested, but keep in mind there is already a serious glut of exhaust products out there. You would have to do a lot to make yours stand out and if it were as high end as you say it would probably not be competitively priced. It would also need to show real gains.

As for intakes, I really don't see how the stock intake design lacks. There are aftermarket products that have yet to be independently tested, even though they've been on the market for a while.

Actually, I believe the CF intake elbows introduced last year did show some gains on the dyno!

SV Concepts II · 01-14-2010, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SOCAL

Actually, I believe the CF intake elbows introduced last year did show some gains on the dyno!

Are you referring to the AP intake elbow?

SOCAL · 01-14-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cal@Jlevi SW

Are you referring to the AP intake elbow?

I was referring to the Envy Charge Pipe, I thought I saw that someone did a before / after dyno with it, but I can't find it for the life of me...

FStop7 · 01-14-2010, 08:03 PM

Never been independently tested. Only tested by vendors or people with sponsorship ties to vendors.

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SOCAL Private First Class 18 Rep 182 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: San Diego iTrader: (3)	Looking for input - New intake / exhaust parts. As some may know from my other posts, I run the production portion of a small aerospace design and fabrication company. We specialize in the fabrication of high-tolerance, jet engine exhaust and turbine components. Because of this I have full access to a nice 15k square foot factory filled with CNC machines, press brakes, you name it! I have a new exhaust design in the works, but that is a ways out, in the mean time I am designing a new intake elbow. Mine will be made out of .066" thick 6061 T6 temper aircraft grade aluminum with an enlarged and redisigned flowpath and some nice machined hardware. Very very light and strong! They can be annodized to any color or ceramic coated to insulate the intake charge from engine heat. The concept is finished, design is done, just need to make tooling. Im looking to see if anyone has any input on what they would like to see done with this part, improvements, ideas, etc. Also, if anyone has any other ideas or things they would like to see made, please feel free to PM me, I am always looking for new products to take on in my spare time. I have not worked out any numbers yet but I believe I could offer these intake elbows at a very, very reasonable price point, making them a very attractive mod. Anyways, just looking for some input from some of you guys!
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aus Major General 892 Rep 9,032 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	I'd be interested, but I think people would want a dyno showing an improvement in power, or if it's cheap enough then people would get it just because it looks cool. __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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zamm3k Bla! 82 Rep 909 Posts Drives: F82 M4 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Miami, FL iTrader: (4)	as stated by Aus, I think the first thing you should keep in mind WAY ABOVE anything else, is power. If you can make power with the design, it probably wouldn't matter if its purple with pink stripes, people would buy it. After that you have to make it look nice. I personally like the look of raw looking materials. Specially when it comes to aluminum. And as for advice for the design (besides the ones I've already given) just make it easy to install on the stock intake box and intake charger. __________________ ......................::.........................
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