Broken Valve Spring @ 2,700 Miles

[mdosu]

Originally Posted by italyix

I had the same issue at ~58k miles, broken valve spring. Replaced it under warranty BUT took 4 weeks to get the part from Germany. Meanwhile, I was enjoying the loaner

do you remember the bill figure? I know you paid nothing, but they still give you an invoice for parts labor for billing to BMW...

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

Originally Posted by mdosu

lol... maybe you need a long drive to clear your head.

Next one is planned for May ... to Montreal then further down south to Boston along the coast ... just have to watch myself till then ... I mean keep my glasses clean and eyes focused

PS. I guess I saw Spring and memories flashed back ... goes to show you we need to pay attention ... that suspension spring be a spell to big to fit as a valve spring

[SHADY1]

Originally Posted by SGM3forME

Thanks, that's encouraging to know. Sick ride btw...

No problem just trying to help a fellow M3 owner and thanks for the comment on my M3

Originally Posted by mdosu

What's the bill for this fix? I'm aware most ppl are getting this fixed under warranty, but they usually quote you billable hours and price for their billing purposes to BMW corporate.

This was a long time ago when I had this done I do not remember how much this would have cost I can tell you not cheap.

[fuddman]

Originally Posted by SGM3forME

Any thoughts and/or advice?

Yes.
Insist they replace every valve spring in the car.
A valve spring failure this early in the cars life is completely unacceptable. They owe you that much for your own peace of mind. And they know it.
Call BMWNA if you encounter resistance.
Be steadfast. Good luck

[apecush]

Originally Posted by fuddman

Yes.
Insist they replace every valve spring in the car.
A valve spring failure this early in the cars life is completely unacceptable. They owe you that much for your own peace of mind. And they know it.
Call BMWNA if you encounter resistance.
Be steadfast. Good luck

This is a stupid request.

Manufacturing flaws are inevitable. Non-destructive inspection techniques are never 100% effective. The result, rare instances of failure. As it is unlikely that all valve springs in your motor are from the exact same manufacturing lot, replacing them all is a waste of time and money. Not to mention, you want as little human interaction with your engine internals as possible as the more human interaction, the more potential for error. Let them fix the broken spring and be thankful your valve didn't drop into the motor.

[Rk-d]

Originally Posted by fuddman

Yes.
Insist they replace every valve spring in the car.
A valve spring failure this early in the cars life is completely unacceptable. They owe you that much for your own peace of mind. And they know it.
Call BMWNA if you encounter resistance.
Be steadfast. Good luck

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

[BMRLVR]

Don't worry OP, it is not that big of a deal...... It happens to all kinds of cars not just M3's. Your car will be fine once they fix it!

[mdosu]

Originally Posted by fuddman

Yes.
Insist they replace every valve spring in the car.
A valve spring failure this early in the cars life is completely unacceptable. They owe you that much for your own peace of mind. And they know it.
Call BMWNA if you encounter resistance.
Be steadfast. Good luck

[italyix]

Originally Posted by mdosu

do you remember the bill figure? I know you paid nothing, but they still give you an invoice for parts labor for billing to BMW...

Nope. see pics

[fuddman]

The way I look at, this failure blew a big hole, not only in your confidence in the car, but also in the re-sale value of your car. You lost value in your car because it is now not competitive with the re-sale value of similar cars with "a clean carfax." Try selling it to a potential buyer (who will find out about it) with the argument: "hey, no big deal, it happens all the time. It's only a batch defect and all my other valve springs weren't in the batch"
You're going to have to give up $$$$$ to make a sale anytime soon. That's whats been taken from you with this failure.
What you need to do, in my judgement, is have it repaired in way that satisfies any near term buyer and, at the same time, restores your trust in the car.
It's likely to be a moderately difficult endeavor but, if your convincing enough, you're bound to win.

[W///]

Originally Posted by fuddman

The way I look at, this failure blew a big hole, not only in your confidence in the car, but also in the re-sale value of your car. You lost value in your car because it is now not competitive with the re-sale value of similar cars with "a clean carfax." Try selling it to a potential buyer (who will find out about it) with the argument: "hey, no big deal, it happens all the time. It's only a batch defect and all my other valve springs weren't in the batch"
You're going to have to give up $$$$$ to make a sale anytime soon. That's whats been taken from you with this failure.
What you need to do, in my judgement, is have it repaired in way that satisfies any near term buyer and, at the same time, restores your trust in the car.
It's likely to be a moderately difficult endeavor but, if your convincing enough, you're bound to win.

Wow, really?
1) And how would the next buyer find out about it? My car came with 4 lines on the Carfax report.
2) It seems to me like the guys that had this issue before only had the one that was broken replaced, and that seemed to work just fine.
3) Why replace something that isn't broken?

The car still has plenty of warranty left OP, just enjoy it when you get it back.

[apecush]

Originally Posted by fuddman

The way I look at, this failure blew a big hole, not only in your confidence in the car, but also in the re-sale value of your car. You lost value in your car because it is now not competitive with the re-sale value of similar cars with "a clean carfax." Try selling it to a potential buyer (who will find out about it) with the argument: "hey, no big deal, it happens all the time. It's only a batch defect and all my other valve springs weren't in the batch"
You're going to have to give up $$$$$ to make a sale anytime soon. That's whats been taken from you with this failure.
What you need to do, in my judgement, is have it repaired in way that satisfies any near term buyer and, at the same time, restores your trust in the car.
It's likely to be a moderately difficult endeavor but, if your convincing enough, you're bound to win.

are you serious?

[W///]

Originally Posted by italyix

Nope. see pics

Thanks for that buddy, very helpful. If it happened to me, not sure if I'd be able to pull a DIY on this one. Fingers crossed it doesn't

[Rk-d]

Originally Posted by fuddman

The way I look at, this failure blew a big hole, not only in your confidence in the car, but also in the re-sale value of your car. You lost value in your car because it is now not competitive with the re-sale value of similar cars with "a clean carfax." Try selling it to a potential buyer (who will find out about it) with the argument: "hey, no big deal, it happens all the time. It's only a batch defect and all my other valve springs weren't in the batch"
You're going to have to give up $$$$$ to make a sale anytime soon. That's whats been taken from you with this failure.
What you need to do, in my judgement, is have it repaired in way that satisfies any near term buyer and, at the same time, restores your trust in the car.
It's likely to be a moderately difficult endeavor but, if your convincing enough, you're bound to win.

Why stop at the valve springs. If one spring is bad, then the whole engine is suspect with this logic. Nothing will unring that bell, unfortunately. I doubt resale will be affected massively on trade in. Private sale, may be more.

[dreamspeed]

I have a friend that works at BMW and he said don't rev the motor when the engine is cold or the springs could be damaged

[BPMSport]

Originally Posted by dreamspeed

I have a friend that works at BMW and he said don't rev the motor when the engine is cold or the springs could be damaged

Reving the motor high cold is also bad for a number of other reasons. This is why our software has the cold start rev limit reduction, to make sure that it never sees high RPM when too cold.

[SGM3forME]

Thanks to everyone for all your comments/input - I appreciate all the advice. I am leasing my car so not overly concerned about resale value. My intention in 3 years when my lease is up is to get into an M4 or possibly an M5. I will keep you all updated on the progress of my repair....hopefully the replacement valve spring will arrive sooner rather than later.

[SenorFunkyPants]

If I had a such an early valve spring failure I would expect all the valve springs to be replaced as a precaution. I'm surprised it wasn't done as standard procedure.

[italyix]

Originally Posted by W///

At 58k huh? So I'm assuming SES? What codes did it throw? Any idea how much work it was to replace?

I dont remember the codes, but I posted pics of the service order on this page:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...8&postcount=32

SES came on with reduced power warning. Misfire if I remember correctly.

[SGM3forME]

Update: Picked upmy car last week, repair completed in 11 days. Car seems to be running fine, keeping my fingers crossed that I won't have any more issues. Thanksto everyone for your advice/input.

[FVM3]

Originally Posted by Sandye90m3

I don't think breaking-in could have been a result of of this...lol

+1 . If i get a new car I always drive it like I steal it once it leaves the lot, dont care about the break in period and never had a single issue

[MRSSIIM3]

i had the same situation on my december 12 build. at around 1500 miles CEL came on and they replaced it and issue resolved