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I 100% agree. All of these "M has sold out" or "M stand for Marketing" are full of shiet. M is the motorsports division of BMW. Period. There's no M car formula. Period. Nothing unique to the M division.
Yes, you are driving a spruced up BMW. Nothing more. Nothing less. So we all need to stay off this M brand superiority complex and stop complaining when the new model isn't the same as the previous one. If you don't like the new...then just buy the old. Problem solved. I will say that the M division does a damned fine job of sprucing up regular BMWs which are pretty damned good as is.
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I understand the financial incentive to seperate their line but not sure money should be the only motive for a company that preaches heritage also. I think what is happening for me and a lot on this forum is we want a more aggressive car and are getting softer ones from bmw.
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Great article, but it only served to reinforce my prejudices. There may not be such a thing as a "real M car", but it's very clear the mentality of the division has shifted and the bean counters are in full control. This shift may have been necessary, but that doesn't make it any less disheartening.
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And if you've been a fan of //M since the beginning and read MULTIPLE articles and interviews by the guys who started //M, you have a certain mindset as to what makes an //M car. There was an AWESOME article in Roundel a few years ago by the previous head of //M who CLEARLY spelled out what an //M car was at the time and why there was no X5M or M7. They had a very clear vision of what an //M car was. I really wish I had saved that issue, because it would give a LOT in insight as to why many of us are so resistant to the new direction //M is going. What we have now is so far from what the mission statement was for //M when it started, it's just sad. It's pretty clear the main motivation behind the niew direction is $$$, with the excuse that //M cars need to get better mileage. But then you look over at Porsche and the new Cayman and 911 are getting crazy good mileage and are fast as hell. Obviously they're essentially 2 seaters, but they made more power and get better mileage... so what's BMW's excuse? It's also discouraging to see MB bring the Black Series here, Porsche the GT3-RS and even the 4.0 here and BMW pisses on it's largest //M market when ever it comes out with a higher performance version of the M3- claiming it'll be too expensive to bring here... but Porsche can do it REPEATEDLY with their very limited run cars with special engines that make more than the standard engines, so they must of had to get them certified too. How many GT3-RS 4.0 did Porsche bring to the US?? NOT THAT MANY!! .
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People don't realize BMW is a smaller company in the car world. They don't have the same volume as Toyota, daimler (Mercedes), gm, vw group, ford, etc. They need to abide by the same fuel regulations per the EPA with a smaller product line up. It's hard for them to pay for m specific engines and stay profitable. It's no surprise to me the new s55 is based off a production n55. A completely m only engine (s65) will probably never happen again unless BMW merges or is bought by another big car company.
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Marketing? DEFINITELY. I think BMW is trying to fully capitalize on the M brand right now to increase its sales to the above goal. I think we all believe that there is an aggressive marketing campaign of the M brand. When we drive a BMW, its a BMW through and through. The only other mainstream luxury brand that can claim that is Mercedes. Unlike the Audi Jetta, Lexus Camry, Acura Accord, and the Infiniti Altima...you really do get a BMW. IMO, this larger use of the M logo is a necessary evil to keep BMW independent...then I'm all for it. Better than driving a BMW Fusion. In the end, when you look at what you get for a $55k base on the E9X M3? Its an absolute AWESOME deal! At the track, I see some IS-Fs, G37s, and a couple of C classes and A4s...you don't see a lot of them long term. Magazine Reviews are meaningless...its the smiles at the track that tell the story. The only cars that I see more of than M3s are vettes, 911s, and Miatas. Quote:
I am in no way suggesting that the new M3/4 won't be superior in every way as far as driving dynamics. I am VERY excited about that.
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It is kinda funny how all these articles normally manage to ignore the first true M cars after the M1 which was the E24 M6 with a great racing history and still to these days a timeless design (it also happened to share similar power train with the M1) just my .02 cents...
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Engineers/designers answer to management; management answers to senior management (president/CEO); senior management answers to the board; board answers to shareholders. And shareholders answer to $$. M division might have initially started as a "cool" project, but it's kind of hard for shareholders to ignore the potential profitability of the M brand now, no? I can't think of any other successful "special" projects division of a major international corporation ever remaining independent this long from the almighty $ as BMW's M division (feel free to provide counter-examples). So, to me, nothing new here, and it seems pointless to pine for the good ol' days (unless M crashes and burns, is shuttered by BMW, and then is revived years later as a special projects division again).
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I suppose this article is meant to address the question: should we shift our expectations for the M brand? I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, as it's not an ethics/morality/math question. But for some, I suspect after reading the article, it will. For others, not so much. |
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Nostalgia and rose coloured glasses can distort reality, and both of those forces are strong in the ///M camp. I think people can lose sight of the fact that the E9x M3 is simply an amazing all round car.
No, it's not the best track car, luxury sedan, tourer, dragster, exotic-designed or street racer. BUT It has the right combination of performance, daily usability, comfort, understated class/design (but enough cues in design to remind you that this car can get serious ), heritage, and value (all this car for <$80K) that I would put up against any other car. And I think this is what the goal of the modern M division is, and should be. Once the new M3/4 hits the streets, I'm gonna guess that most of these goals will be met again. Compared to the competition, and I may sound a bit mad for saying this, there is no other car that I would rather have. I love (!) my car. (Plus, I would look like an absolute tit if I showed up to work in a green Lambo...) As you were... |
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So you're saying BMW could afford to make bespoke /M engines when it was a MUCH smaller company and didn't have Mini or Rolls, but now it's so big (relative to 10-15 years ago), that they can't afford to make a real /M engine? .
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