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07-09-2010, 09:32 PM | #1 |
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e92 m3 v10 or ess supercharged m3
Which would be faster, a v10 swapped m3 with 6xx horsepower or an ess supercharged m3 with 6xx horsepower.
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S85 M3 would win in everything if tuned even without forced induction.
The ESS e9x M3 supercharger kits dont make much HP compared to the competitors FI kits, but even then it still would lose.
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Which ESS setup? VT600-VT625, I believe the ESS SC'd S65 would be faster than the S85, it would be much easier to install, etc. and from what I've heard they are very reliable.
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The Manhart V10 is pretty sweet. Almost all BMW parts, engine, etc. Pretty cool.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/20...BMW-M3-V10.htm
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07-10-2010, 10:45 AM | #11 | |
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OP, there are many threads on the HP the various SC put down on the wheels. The V10 is much heavier, so your high HP will be for nought, as it won't handle or perform for shit. |
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07-11-2010, 10:57 AM | #13 |
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Food for thought:
Difference between ESS 4,5psi and 6,5psi kits is like 75whp (2 psi difference) On the examples above, 3psi more only yields 11whp?? Yes I would hate to have an ESS SC....... NOT!!!! |
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The OP asked about an ESS M3 vs. a V10 M3, not the competitors kits. But some will take any opportunity to do the usual sales pitch about ESS and how the others are sub par in comparison, for one person it seems to be his lot in life. As I stated initially, without the tuner BS, go with the ESS VT625 over the V10, much easier to do, I would argue it would be faster and probably more reliable with less problems.
As far as this 594whp ESS dyno vs. Ricky's, yes it's impressive especially at only 7.5 psi, but let's look at the independent ESS dyno's at 6psi, around 500-520whp, with a full exhaust, another one is making 570whp at 6psi and a 100 shot of Nitrous. It's though to believe that a VT625 makes 80+WHP with 1.5 more psi than the indepenent VT600 dyno's, and more than a car with 6psi and a 100 shot? FWIW, here's that same ESS VT625 M3 that made (594whp), around 700chp, in action, the vid lists it at 625HP, after these runs that looks to be more accurate than the (594whp) dyno, it losses rather easily to a Stage 2 - 630hp, Flash and Exhaust 997tt.
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for me im not concerned about my torque loss down on the low end, when i race i dont start my rpms in the 3000-3500 range, im in the 6-7000 range when i start. as for others it might be more of a concern for them, to be honest im rarely in the 3-3500 range unless im on the highway cruising at 60mph and could really care less. i think when people look at dyno graphs theyre more concerned on peak numbers, or maybe its just me
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Hi Drew
Superlative began this sliming match with his BS comment above. This only opened the door of correction from PG. Per has a 6sp and perhaps is not the best of drivers. Independent dynos are as best as we all can get when comparing whp. One thing which has to be worth doing, and I cannot understand why you guys in the US have not done, is to take an ESS and competitors car with the same boost and fuel, and see who makes more. Boost of 9,7-10 psi and water meth, to not make decidedly more than 600whp, begs the question why? Especially when ESS kits with ALOT LESS boost are making 590whp. You said it above, the ESS 6psi kit makes 520whp, so even if you ignore the 7,5psi result of 590whp, how can you sanely justify 4psi more boost with water meth for 80whp?? |
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im a car enthusiast like everyone else here, ess, aa, gintani and vf all make great kits. its all preference for who wants what. at the end of the day im happy i went with gintani and ess customers are all happy too. what i think everyone would like to see is some runs. ess should bring whatever car they want, gintani will bring some cars including my own and drew's and do some fun runs. since ess dynos almost the same as gintani's cars it should all be drivers races right? im sure robert with his stroked, sc m3 is clearly at an advantage but plenty of people would like to see some e9x SC m3's go at it
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A tightly controlled and adjudicated dyno with cars running same boost!! Races have too many other variables like drivers, tyres, reflexes etc. Dyno comparisons all together will bring tangible results. |
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Per can't drive? They have done dyno's here in the US, 6.5psi around 500-518whp, with a full exhaust. The ESS 594whp, STD CF, dyno is not independent it was done at ESS, if you look at the independent ESS dyno's at around 6.5psi they are 500-518whp. You add 1 psi and you get 580 SAE? One ESS dyno is 499 STD at 6.5psi, vs. 594 ESS dyno at 7.5psi, approx. 1 psi added near 100whp? If you really care about this objectively, this begs the question why? "ALOT" less boost vs. Per's ESS dyno, hyperbole much? 1.5psi is ALOT? You can mix and match dyno charts in any fashion, look at the 499 STD CF, ESS dyno at 6.5psi, so with 3 - 3.5psi more, Ricky's Gintani made 601 STD, 102whp more, not too shabby. FWIW I recently ran a 7.58s 60-130, on 91 only, about what I did on 91+Meth, although at 9psi I wouldn't recommend it at that octane level.
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It's still fun though
But 579whp 9psi vs 518whp 6,5psi Come on Drew, I like you and you are always fair. I'm happy you are happy, but 3,5psi plus meth for 61whp? Do YOU think this is worth it for such little extra power? Last edited by Bob MG; 07-11-2010 at 03:25 PM.. |
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