Anyone else real dissapointed by m3?

[MVF4Rrider]

Originally Posted by kpari09

Ur comparing a race version e46 csl that costs well over 100k to a standard e92? U can't compare the 2. Facts r facts, the e46 understeers way too much and rides like a horse on wheels.

Understeer is intentional. All factory suspensions can be improved, as can steering. BMW, even M, is never going to fit high-end bits. Case in point all brake systems. The CSL comment was just for entertainment. I wouldn't call it a serious race version, just M having showing what they could really do. Don't forget the E46 M3 GTR either. Your beloved V8 motor stuffed in a smaller chassis. Really the king of all M3s with all the normal creature comforts. That one I would take over a E30 M3

[Erhan]

Originally Posted by richpuer

Get a 335 it's faster cheaper more torque and just.. No brainer really

I was being sarcastic

[Erhan]

Originally Posted by MVF4Rrider

Understeer is intentional. All factory suspensions can be improved, as can steering. BMW, even M, is never going to fit high-end bits. Case in point all brake systems. The CSL comment was just for entertainment. I wouldn't call it a serious race version, just M having showing what they could really do. Don't forget the E46 M3 GTR either. Your beloved V8 motor stuffed in a smaller chassis. Really the king of all M3s with all the normal creature comforts. That one I would take over a E30 M3

I'd so get that over the E92... Do you know how much they go for these days?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by erhanh

Back to topic, I'm really disappointed with the M3 since it doesn't have an automatically opening trunk... Not to mention the lack of low end torque... Sooooo bad.

The automatic trunk opener on the 5-series is notorious for its lack of torque. I'm not sure though that I'd want an automatic trunk in an M3 if they chose to go forced induction to make it work. I like a high revving naturally aspirated opener.

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by shift@red

The 918 Spyder price is set at $845,000. But yes, that car will be incredible. They set the bar in every segment they compete, and this will be no different. World's first hybrid hypercar.

lol, i thought it was 750k+, but i wanted to low ball it in case i was incorrect.

[sameh]

[QUOTE=shift@red;9256032]The 918 Spyder price is set at $845,000. But yes, that car will be incredible. QUOTE]

I'll take 2 of those..845000+84500= 1million six hundred thousands then add the change 45000 + 45000 = 3million seventeen sixty then add taxes and deduct $35 dealer rebate and about $1700 reward points on my master card..Hay, i think I can do that

[CodeRed]

My M3 is coming off the lease in Oct, looking at getting into an 07 GT3 or maybe a 09 CS, I like the M3, but ready for a change I guess

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by CodeRed

My M3 is coming off the lease in Oct, looking at getting into an 07 GT3 or maybe a 09 CS, I like the M3, but ready for a change I guess

the 09 doesnt have ims and rms issues. the 07 does, even though the failure rate is low, i wouldnt take a chance. just my .02

[MVF4Rrider]

Originally Posted by GhostRideTheWhip

^^^Great advice. Listen to him, smart man. Pre-09 Porsche's would die when making hard turns due to oil starvation and your engine would blow. It was fixed in the refresh or second generation. 09+ is the way to go.

It's just an inexpensive baffle in the oil pan and can be retrofitted. You can also get a metal gasket enlarger that adds 1/2 quart, which dramatically decreases the potential. Very remote anyway and a street driven Porsche has nothing to be concerned about. Who wouldn't want an '09 and up, but you fail to realize Porsche simply evolves everything and rarely is an older model left out in the cold.

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by GhostRideTheWhip

^^^Great advice. Listen to him, smart man. Pre-09 Porsche's would die when making hard turns due to oil starvation and your engine would blow. It was fixed in the refresh or second generation. 09+ is the way to go.

lol thanks. u got a lot of words of wisdom too. the oil starvation problem is magnified when tracked...or so i hear.

and the metal shavings problems that you may have heard...thats due to the ims, which you would have to replace if and when it goes bad. but the 09+ my (2nd generation) have the ims and rms designed out of the engine. they are almost bullet proof now and i dont forsee any of that changing any time soon. wish i could say the same for bmw and their future m turbo engines

[immiketoo]

The only thing I'm disappointed in is that my car isn't here yet.

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by MVF4Rrider

It's just an inexpensive baffle in the oil pan and can be retrofitted. You can also get a metal gasket enlarger that adds 1/2 quart, which dramatically decreases the potential. Very remote anyway and a street driven Porsche has nothing to be concerned about. Who wouldn't want an '09 and up, but you fail to realize Porsche simply evolves everything and rarely is an older model left out in the cold.

true, but id personally would rather spend a lil more and just avoid the issue entirely. it simplifies life, which im all about. but thats just my .02.

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by immiketoo

The only thing I'm disappointed in is that my car isn't here yet.

i know what you mean. still waiting for my car to be officially announced.

[gblansten]

Has anyone else been deeply disappointed by the number of M3 pickup threads?

[jmflukeiii]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Has anyone else been deeply disappointed by the number of M3 pickup threads?

Winning

[dhoggm3]

If I spent P-car money for a new vehicle, I'd be bitterly disappointed if the thing failed on the track. Embarrassing. But very profitable.

[CodeRed]

Originally Posted by GhostRideTheWhip

^^^Great advice. Listen to him, smart man. Pre-09 Porsche's would die when making hard turns due to oil starvation and your engine would blow. It was fixed in the refresh or second generation. 09+ is the way to go.

Dont think that this is true on the 07 GT3...different system than the CS with real dry sumps. Thx though.

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by CodeRed

Dont think that this is true on the 07 GT3...different system than the CS with real dry sumps. Thx though.

from what i rem, the gt3 does have an ims, it is just different from the 996 and 997.1 in that it does not go all the way through the block. they are not prone to the same failures...

but from what i rem, the gt3 experiences rms leaks too. not hard to fix, but its going to come out of your pocket everytime it fails

[Serious]

Originally Posted by shift@red

Since 06 Porsche has been rate as either #1 or #2 in car reliability.

those ratings really don't apply or even consider cars that are tracked. Not saying porsche's aren't fine for the most part on the track, they are but a reliability survey is so weakly effected by those failures they can be considered negligible.

[ManAndMachine]

My 07 GT3 developed a small oil leak around 4k miles.Turned out to be the RMS.Was replaced with an updated seal and the problem did not come back.Sold the car around 15k,not sure if the new owner had issues after taking delivery.

Also had a coolant hose burst on the front mounted radiator under pressure and the car lost all fluid.Turned out that the fittings on the front hoses were not up to the task at the time.Not sure if Porsche fixed the problem,most likely they did.

[M3Bahn]

This covers RMS pretty well.

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/g...ill-issue.html

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by crackberry

the 09 doesnt have ims and rms issues. the 07 does, even though the failure rate is low, i wouldnt take a chance. just my .02

The RMS was pretty much solved after the 06 lineup. I had a 07 997S and had not one issue ever go wrong with that car for the 3.5 yrs. I owned it.

As far as oil starvation that to me is a non issue as well. Go over to 6speedonline and see all the cars that are tracked with 05-08 997.1s. Ed over on 6speedonline probably has over 30k miles of hard track driving over there and his car has never had any issues.

I have yet to see a car that had an oil starvation issue at the track. As others have pointed out, you can update the oil pan with a 996 X51 baffle to the 997 cars and it would solve any issue that may arise. Although I personally know several cars like Eds on 6speed without the baffle and the cars run fine.

Dave