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Tlud,
Pls see my comments in red below. Its easier to address it this way. Sorry. Quote:
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While tuning the ECU in a way voids the warranty, it also shows that how ever so marginal a bump in power and variables drastically affects the engine where driving patterns are consistent. I fully agree that even the best tuners can tune this engine properly and safely. But if there is an inherent flaw and weakness in the engine, it is definitely going to show earlier. BMW can be bastard and void the warranty but eventually when a plethora of stock engines w/ stock ECU comes back with engine problems, they will know something is really wrong then. They might or might not know by now something is wrong but I am sure it will happen. Even the the S54 engines concerning cases of damage to the connecting rod bearings leading to engine failure on S54 engines in E46 M3 and M roadster/coupe cars, they were recalled finally. Now if yo were the first one to get this problem and supposedly your car was tuned, you are shit out of luck. But then comes a time where you see this recall and you find out that it was an inherent design issue, what can you do? Nothing. Thats what I am saying. You gotta pay to play. Even if you were right about it, BMW wouldnt care because cost cutting is what everyone is doing right now. And as insignificant I am to BMW, the fact that this engine is built weak will show itself over time. Yes the tuning just brought it forward on the weaknesses of this engine.
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10-09-2009, 01:05 AM | #70 | |
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Mike,
My comments below. It will be nice to talk to you if you are free. Quote:
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10-09-2009, 01:09 AM | #71 | |
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P.S - THE OFFICIAL LETTER FROM BMW ASIA ON FIRST PAGE RE-UPLOADED.
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10-09-2009, 03:23 AM | #74 | |
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I find it very disturbing that they have told me the car is normal, pat me on the back and whispered in my ear the warranty is void on both engine and drivetrain and send me running along. If they knew something is wrong,they would have taken more time with the car. Record breaking 3 days of seeing the car an voiding it. I find it shady. It's like I sent in the car just to get the warranty voided. No mention at all of the problem I am having was addressed at all. They claim it's normal. Look at knifegun and snowsm3. They were having main bearing issues and their cars or engines were replaced under warranty. Now if say their car was tuned, would BMW still have replaced them? Obviously not. So inherent design issues or not, as long as the ecu is tuned, it won't be seen in good light for sure.
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What are the symptoms that lead you to believe you have a bent exhaust valve? I've only owned 1 car that had this...a 911 after an over rev (done before I bought it)...and it ran fine except when it got hot it was lumpy on tick over. It took Porsche about 6 months to find the problem, they just changed the valves in the end as they couldn't figure what else it could be.
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Time to way in on this subject as I do have some 1st hand knowlege on this subject,but it was not my car that this happened to but here I go.This engine had around 20000 kms on it when it started to run rough in normal highway driving and was towed to the the dealer.It was discovered that 1 cylinder had no compression the dealer at that time determined that that the engine had been subjected to an overspeed condition when it had somewhere around 3000 kms and that BMW Canada was refusing warranty coverage because of this.
The dealer refused to tear down the engine to find the source of the problem till the customer accepted the responsiability of the labour for this.My friend went up the ladder at BMW Canada till he got hold of the person who could make the decision to tear down the motor to source the problem and 2 weeks had gone by at this point. Once it was torn down it was determined that 1 intake valve had had contact with a piston & the valve spring was broken on that valve . BMW at this point decided to cover this under warranty as the fault was isolated to 1 cylinder and none of the other components showed any damage caused by an overrev but they did change all 32 valve springs as a precaution..If the car had a "tune",I am quite sure BMW would not have approved any warranty coverage on this problem.My friend was was also very honest with BMW about what could have happened to cause this problem and the DME information was also sent to Germany for a complete investigation. |
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This all really sucks, but just think about it. If this happens at 51,000 miles (in the U.S.), you'll be paying for it regardless of a tune. I guess it's an additional incentive for us 6MT drivers to be mindful of the gates (money shift).
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There's only one thing I have learned in this thread. Don't move to Singapore.
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Hahahahahaha...You damn skippy. Should have got a C63 AMG instead.
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10-09-2009, 10:19 AM | #80 |
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hhaha... my father lives in singapore right now and he runs a car rental business.. he used to have bmws in his fleet but now the whole fleet are mercedes cars... he kept telling me that bmws breakdown all the time in singapore... maybe the dealership has something to do with this. it seems like all bmw cars command a significantly lower price than the equivalent mercedes car in singapore.
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My rev limit is set to 8.700rpm and I frequently use 8.600rpm on the Nuerburgring to avoid 2 shifts (1 up, 1 down) in front of some turns. No problems at all. BMW M is testing the S65 up to 9.500rpm on the dyno...
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That's awesome! I assume you know someone at M? : )
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10-09-2009, 04:32 PM | #87 |
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You know, just in thinking about this, if BMW ever voided my warranty because of an over-rev, I would seriously want to know the date of this event to check against maintenance work. I have a sneaking suspicion that these cars go on quite aggressive QA drives after maintenance and/or other repairs, if my lower mpg after pickup is any indication.
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BMW service can plug in and see the highest speed your car has traveled and the max revs you have had it at. Even if you exceed them by as little as 150 RPM or 10 MPH. This information is stored and cannot be removed by simply re-installing your stock software file. Both of these are red flags that you are currently or have at one point run aftermarket software. We tell every customer who asks us the same thing. If you want to be 100% safe with your BMW warranty dont modify your car or run aftermarket software. If you want to modify with minimal risk run software from a vendor who has a solid reputation and never request a RPM limit above stock or top speed governor removal when you order software. If you choose to have these options or purchase software from a start up tuner then you need to live with the risks involved.
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