E93 to GT-R?

[M3-S65]

Originally Posted by sinth

For the above questions - I had my GTR for two years but I am from London but I can give you relative costs.

on the 2009+ cars I've heard of no transmission problems and mine ran without a hitch. I did fit the willall clips in the gearbox solenoid as a preventative measure as it can cause the car to not select 2 4 6 gear or 1 3 5 gears. Was a cheap fix though

Since my car was a 2009 I had to service 6 monthly or 6000 miles , I couldve moved it to the yearly servicing schedule like the later cars but I didnt want to harm resale value.
Servicing can be carried out at GTR specialists who dont charge the earth like Nissan do and would do a far better job. I took mine to Litchfield Imports ( well renowned GTR specialists)

Tyres I would say are the biggest killer as the rims are 20" along with brakes as it is a big heavy car. And the car did guzzle fuel! The m3 is loads more economical.

When I do look back it. The GTR is an expensive car to maintain properly and you can at least double whatever you pay on the M3.

? How much

[M3-S65]

Here we go ...read this guys. Although not yearly the average with the brake service, and all the mandatory services (or your warranty is voided) seems as an average/annually to be worst than I even expected... I thought our M3 was too dealer service center dependent with no service manual and our sensitive engines, but this makes ours seem shade tree mechanic friendly...Ill get a Zr1 which cost the same before this hot mess...

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/200...oncerns-page-2

[M3-S65]

Originally Posted by Petros

I think the transmission problems were on the early 2008 cars. They had a very aggressive launch control. Owners were abusing it by doing several LC over and over without letting the car cool down. The gearbox broke, usually it was 1st gear that got munched. Nissan read the balck box data and refused warranty. They had to pay $20k out of pocket for a new transmission. Later models had the LC heavily tweaked over and never had this problem again. That's all I heard of GTR transmission problems really..

Actually my friend....Transmission problems did not end in 2008...that was just the beginning...anyone who is interested type "GTR transmission problems" in google. Tons of information on it...in fact more than our bearing problems and just as costly!!!

...here is a quote from a forum:

"The transmissions do appear to be the weak link with this car. My car had the transmission changed out at 7500 miles. It has almost 20K on it now and I have had no issues since, but then again it is used only as a DD. Since there have been a number of 2012 that have required a tranny swap, it appears that Nissan has done little if anything to address the GR6's weaknesses.

In my opinion, the transmission would not be that much of an issue if Nissan would train and allow the local dealerships to repair them. However, they have elected not to do so. Doesn't seem to make a lot of economic sense to swap a $20K transmission out for a $5 seal failure. There are a number of shops that have developed the ability to repair them, and upgrade them with after market parts that address many of the GR6 weaknesses, but it is not cheap. It is however cheaper than paying out of pocket for a new tranny from Nissan after they void your warranty for any number of reasons."

[M3-S65]

OP I take it back....don't buy this money pit...
Go for a good ole American Z06 Vette, Stingray or Corvette ZR1...faster after minor mods, maintenance and costs are lower than BMW M3....

[LarThaL]

Originally Posted by Petros

Quality? It's one of the most overengineered cars on the market. Bespoke frame as opposed to our mass produced 3 series frame. Bespoke handmade engine and gearbox, something we don't have. The best AWD system on any performance car. Track focused suspension and brakes, not like our laughable monopiston calipers and soft EDC suspension. DCT just as good as the one on an M3. An engine that is proven to be bulletproof for well over 700 hp, unlike our S65 that throws a rod bearing anytime it gets a bit cold out there.

Amenities? let's see. My car has power windows, power door locks, keyless entry, keyless ignition, alarm, power seats with memory function, heated leather seats, power mirrors, autodimming function on said mirrors, cruise control, automatic HID headlights, automatic wipers, bluetooth, NAV, CD player, satellite radio, MP3, stereo sound, control buttons on the steering wheel, ABS, Traction control, cigarette lighter, 12 V power outlet.

Well what do you know? All of those features come standard on a GTR too!

Oh wait. I just thought of 3 things on my car that you can't get on a GTR. I have the sunroof (which seems widely hated and despised on this forum), a ski bag (people actually take an M3 up the Alps on ski trips?????), and that useless rear sunshade that doesn't do anything. Ok you're right. It's settled. I'll keep my M3 and never buy a GTR unless Nissan decides to add those options.

The GTR, face the facts, is in a whole different league far superior to anything BMW ever made.

I think I am up to $0.04 now on the GTR.

[ParisF3]

GTR is nice and fast, but it isn't a BMW.

[Mthrice]

Owned a GT-R for 6 months, here are the facts.

Oil changes: $200 every 6k unless your tracking, then 3k.

Fuel consumption including track days: 17mpg compared to 14mpg in the M3, which I also tracked.

Brakes: If you don't track them they hold up like the M3. If you do track, the GT-R rotors will start to crack after 3 track days, and im not a heavy breaker. The aftermarket rotors are better, and cheaper, than stock rotors. Front OEM run $2200 and $500 for pads. Im having AP J hooks installed with endless mx72 pads for 2K including labor. Not that much more than M3 rotors and pads.

Tires: Pilot Super Sports ran me $1400 for the GT-R. NT01s for the M3 run $1200 for 18". Already have 3 days on the Michelins and plenty of tread left.

Differential and Trany Fluid: Never had either changed the 39k I had the M3. If you track your GT-R and run 20 minute session your gonna need to change it every 3k miles at a cost of $1200 bucks. If you do 12 minute sessions (don't heat the tranny fluid above 248 degrees) you can go 18k miles without a change.

Transmission: If you don't mod your GT-R above 650 whp it should hold up fine. If it does brake (say shift fork) your looking at $2500 to get it fixed by Jacks transmission or shep transmissions. The only people getting a whole new tranny are those who are still under warranty and getting a free one.

Basically, you get what you pay for. Its a more expensive car, with worlds better performance, and costs a bit more to maintain.

If you can afford it, get it!

[GVIFlyer]

Originally Posted by M3-S65

Here we go ...read this guys. Although not yearly the average with the brake service, and all the mandatory services (or your warranty is voided) seems as an average/annually to be worst than I even expected... I thought our M3 was too dealer service center dependent with no service manual and our sensitive engines, but this makes ours seem shade tree mechanic friendly...Ill get a Zr1 which cost the same before this hot mess...

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/200...oncerns-page-2

Holy sierra! I had no idea.

[CosmosMpower]

I have a few E90 M3's and a GT-R. GT-R is way faster, feels bigger, heavier, more expensive consumables. Both are fun but completely different. M3 is nicer and more refined, GT-R is a performance beast.

[GVIFlyer]

I think the GT-R is taxicab ugly, but the Romans have a saying for that.

A surgeon friend of mine has a GT-R Black Edition that he felt needed methanol injection. It gave him just enough additional thrust to propel his car sideways into a tree.

[Petros]

Seems like the costs aren't that bad! Almost the same as an M3 with BBK and DCT. how much is it to replace M3 DCT fluid? And Mthrice those prices include labor? How much would it be for DIY?

Overall it doesn't seem like a terribly high maintenance car at all. This is a car that can smoke ferraris and lambos. Of course it will cost more to maintain than a maxima or altima.

[Mthrice]

Originally Posted by GVFlyer

I think the GT-R is taxicab ugly, but the Romans have a saying for that.

A surgeon friend of mine has a GT-R Black Edition that he felt needed methanol injection. It gave him just enough additional thrust to propel his car sideways into a tree.

I don't claim to be a GT-R mod aficoinado, but your friend must be clueless Nobody with a brain is running Meth in a GT-R. If it fails, the car goes boom!
Take a look thru GT-R life, I couldn't find anyone running meth, and most guys on the site are modded.

[Mthrice]

Originally Posted by Petros

Seems like the costs aren't that bad! Almost the same as an M3 with BBK and DCT. how much is it to replace M3 DCT fluid? And Mthrice those prices include labor? How much would it be for DIY?

Overall it doesn't seem like a terribly high maintenance car at all. This is a car that can smoke ferraris and lambos. Of course it will cost more to maintain than a maxima or altima.

Prices include labor. Dealer charges anywhere from 70 to 95 bucks for tranny fluid and you need 10 litres for a flush. I found 10 bottles for 600 bucks online. Diff was about the same gap. Nissan doesn't mind if you bring your own fluid!

Front rotors were $1200 on the forums, and pads were $435.

If you do your own oil changes, Mobil 1 synthetic can be had for 7 bucks a bottle in bulk, compared to $11 per for Castrol Edge. $20 a bottle at Bob Smith BMW plus tax!

That Car and Driver article is total BS, and its from 2008.

1. Had my oem runflats removed and they are fine for remounting. Their difficult to remove because of the stiff sidewalls, but if done properly, no prob.

2. Im running non oem tire size setup, and Nissan is going to replace bellhousing under my powertrain warranty.

[Petros]

Originally Posted by Mthrice

Prices include labor. Dealer charges anywhere from 70 to 95 bucks for tranny fluid and you need 10 litres for a flush. I found 10 bottles for 600 bucks online. Diff was about the same gap. Nissan doesn't mind if you bring your own fluid!

Front rotors were $1200 on the forums, and pads were $435.

If you do your own oil changes, Mobil 1 synthetic can be had for 7 bucks a bottle in bulk, compared to $11 per for Castrol Edge. $20 a bottle at Bob Smith BMW plus tax!

That Car and Driver article is total BS, and its from 2008.

1. Had my oem runflats removed and they are fine for remounting. Their difficult to remove because of the stiff sidewalls, but if done properly, no prob.

2. Im running non oem tire size setup, and Nissan is going to replace bellhousing under my powertrain warranty.

I remember reading about upgraded transmission oil coolers recommended for tracked cars. Does this help extend the life of the fluid?

[AYEDEE]

GO GTR

[Liger187]

Originally Posted by Gasdocpa

Let me say that my experience thus far (10 months) with my E93 has been nothing short of remarkable... there is much about the car I love but there is just as much that I do not.. (shakes, rattles, body roll, extra 400 + lbs., lack of trunk space with top down, lack of low end torque etc.) I had an idea of what I was getting into with this car but you can't really appreciate what is has/doesn't have until you've owned it for a while. A local dealer has a pretty good offer on a 2014 jet black GT-R Premium. I am going to drive it this week and see if it's what I'm looking for.. I'd like to track the car as well as use it as a semi-daily driver... Anyone have an experience like this.... thoughts on going from an M3 to a GT-R?

I just sold my M3 after buying a 2013 GT-R. Both cars have their strong points but the GT-R is a supercar while the M3 is a sports/GT car. The strengths of the M3 over the GT-R are initial steering feel and engine sound. The interiors are a wash to me, because even thought the M3 has a slightly better quality interior, I like the driver focused design of the GT-R better. The ride of the GT-R is stiffer, because of the 20 run flats. It is slightly less stiff than the M3 EDC in sport mode, but I do not know how it will be with the MPSS tires. The acceleration is not comparable. The M3 is more linear because it is NA, but the GT-R is so effortless with its immense tongue. The handling is also not comparable. There is no body roll like the M3 and I have not even explored anything close to the limits of the car yet.

The maintenance is not much more than the M3. The oil changes are $200 vs $300 fr the M3. The brakes are gonna be a little more and so are the tires since they are 20 vs 19. You will also need to spend about $1500 for the transmission service every 37k on 12 and up models. I would not buy a model bellow 2012 because of the transmission failure risk.

If you want a super car that you can DD with a back seat and trunk and do not have any issues with some of the noises or stiffer ride then the GT-R is the car to get if performance matters to you.

[Sebringjetta]

Originally Posted by sinth

Ignorance is bliss

Cool story

[dcgolfdr]

I had my GTR for 2 years and tracked it often during those 2 years. Running the GTR on the track is more expensive to run than the M3, it's a heavy car and fast as hell which kills rotors and tires. I never ran OEM rotors since I had read that they do not hold up well, so I switched to AP racing jhooks, changed the fluids, lines and pads. In two years I ran through 2 sets of front rotors and 1 set of rear. $1200 a pair. I ran 888's on the GTR just like the m3 so not much difference in price there.
Fluid changes: I never ran any OEM fluid and ran Dodson tranny fluid which was $450ish, motul diff fluid, roughly $200. I changed those every 5k. Mobil 1 for engine oil, less than Castrol. The intervals on the tranny fluid is based on how hot you get it, if it gous above 248 you need to change it every 3k, I think the next level was 280, which required a change as soon as you can.
Tranny coolers do help and try to maintain the fluid temp lower so you don't have to change the fluids as often, the downside, they are all around $3000.
I did blow my transmission the second day on track which was a piston seal within one of the clutches. Completely warrantied. Later transmissions upgraded those seals.
Ultimately I came back to the M3, I had an 08 previously, because I was tired of the attention, wanted to get back to a 6mt and missed the refinement.
The GTR is a beast, performance wise and if that is all I wanted there would be no other car I would want, but as they say, different strokes ...

[Sebringjetta]

Originally Posted by dcgolfdr

I had my GTR for 2 years and tracked it often during those 2 years. Running the GTR on the track is more expensive to run than the M3, it's a heavy car and fast as hell which kills rotors and tires. I never ran OEM rotors since I had read that they do not hold up well, so I switched to AP racing jhooks, changed the fluids, lines and pads. In two years I ran through 2 sets of front rotors and 1 set of rear. $1200 a pair. I ran 888's on the GTR just like the m3 so not much difference in price there.
Fluid changes: I never ran any OEM fluid and ran Dodson tranny fluid which was $450ish, motul diff fluid, roughly $200. I changed those every 5k. Mobil 1 for engine oil, less than Castrol. The intervals on the tranny fluid is based on how hot you get it, if it gous above 248 you need to change it every 3k, I think the next level was 280, which required a change as soon as you can.
Tranny coolers do help and try to maintain the fluid temp lower so you don't have to change the fluids as often, the downside, they are all around $3000.
I did blow my transmission the second day on track which was a piston seal within one of the clutches. Completely warrantied. Later transmissions upgraded those seals.
Ultimately I came back to the M3, I had an 08 previously, because I was tired of the attention, wanted to get back to a 6mt and missed the refinement.
The GTR is a beast, performance wise and if that is all I wanted there would be no other car I would want, but as they say, different strokes ...

well put sir

[UnaBomber]

You gotta pay to play. Most stock trannys that go are replaced under warranty if the car isnt too heavily modded. If and when you mod it you know at that point the tranny becomes your responsibilty. I broke a clutch basket at atlanta motorports park on a stage 2 tranny at like 820whp. Wasnt shocked it broke. You have to expect these kind of things with higher horsepower. I then destroyed my stock 3rd gear at like 1150whp. Again wasnt at all surprised that it happened. Trans went back to sheps and now its a full stage 4 build with the quiet promax and full PPG 1-6 gears. So far at 13xxwhp ive had no issues. I also have upgraded axles and splines, trans and differential braces.

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by M3-S65

Here we go ...read this guys. Although not yearly the average with the brake service, and all the mandatory services (or your warranty is voided) seems as an average/annually to be worst than I even expected... I thought our M3 was too dealer service center dependent with no service manual and our sensitive engines, but this makes ours seem shade tree mechanic friendly...Ill get a Zr1 which cost the same before this hot mess...

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/200...oncerns-page-2

Really? You're digging up an article from 5 years ago when the GTR was first introduced that has no footing in reality at this point.
I have owned 3 GTRs and never experienced anything like that.
Nissan's service and warranty policies concerning the GTR are completely different then what was happening after their first few months of bad PR.

[MrPrena]

What did you decided to do?
Keep the E93 or buy the GTR?

I bought my E93 this year, and I look every single car priced around there. Used GT3 was my first choice (I think i mentioned this somewhere here), and E90 was my 2nd choice. I really tried hard to find E90 locally , but I couldn't. I ended up with E93, and I am happy that I did get E93.

Oh yeah, GTR was my 5th choice.

Originally Posted by Gasdocpa

Let me say that my experience thus far (10 months) with my E93 has been nothing short of remarkable... there is much about the car I love but there is just as much that I do not.. (shakes, rattles, body roll, extra 400 + lbs., lack of trunk space with top down, lack of low end torque etc.) I had an idea of what I was getting into with this car but you can't really appreciate what is has/doesn't have until you've owned it for a while. A local dealer has a pretty good offer on a 2014 jet black GT-R Premium. I am going to drive it this week and see if it's what I'm looking for.. I'd like to track the car as well as use it as a semi-daily driver... Anyone have an experience like this.... thoughts on going from an M3 to a GT-R?