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      02-20-2013, 11:22 AM   #1
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...Not the 599 GTO, or a P Car, or even a Veyron SS...

A 20 year car veteran whose driven the most exotic cars in the world narrows it down to this one car... A LEXUS.

If you hold Jeremy Clarkson's reviews with any credibility, what do you think of this?

Here is the link to the full review:


http://www.clublexus.com/forums/lfa-...er-driven.html
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      02-20-2013, 11:29 AM   #2
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I may be one of the few, but I've always loved the LFA!
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Love the engineering that went into this car.
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I got to drive one in Japan and I was blown away at how easy it was to handle. The Navi was a bit annoying, but that was only because I had to focus on my Japanese to use it. Remarkable engineering went into this!
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Not a fan of the looks of this car at all. I also dont like Lexus
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      02-20-2013, 01:26 PM   #6
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Not a fan of the looks of this car at all. I also dont like Lexus
Did you read the thread title?

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^^ that was too easy.

The sound of that V10 alone had me sold. My GAWD!
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So now Lexus owns the title for:

1. The best car in the world (LFA)

and

2. The worse car in the world (SC 430)

Talk about inconsistency...
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I like the LFA. I think from an engineering perspective it's very impressive, and the attention to detail is very stunning. Honestly, I don't think it's really fair to compare it to the GT-R because they're two completely seperate cars.

Supercars aren't always the best performing cars at any given time, but they are the epitome of status and technology, and this car does just that. It's also priced so far out of most anyone's reach that people can only dream of being able to even sit in one someday.

Fact of the matter is you can get better performance out of a Corvette ZR1, but the ZR1 is no LFA
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[Troll]BMW hasnt got a Supercar yet[/Troll]
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They had the Z8....
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Did you read the thread title?

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They had the Z8....


It had the E39 M5 Engine, though it is a great engine I would not call it a Supercar, The last "Supercar" built by Bmw was the M1!
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      02-20-2013, 06:21 PM   #14
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Clarkson notoriously likes front engine cars.

Sounds amazing! Styling is personal, but I don't like it. Not exactly ground breaking in terms of performance numbers (cheaper cars can run circles around it). But in the end, it is a cool niche car.
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They had the Z8....
Z8 is one of the most overrated cars in BMW history.
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      02-20-2013, 06:52 PM   #16
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To be fair the LFA is a brilliant machine, despite coming from a company known to make boring cars.

I consider the LFA on its own terms. It's an amazing machine with IIRC the 6th fastest nurburgring time on earth and the 3rd fastest street legal nurburgring time behind the Viper SRT10-ACR and the Porsche 911 Spyder (note: there's a fake entry of 7:11 for a ZR1 on fastlaps; this entry isn't legitimate).

Here's the kicker, though. The LFA has 560 HP. The 918 spyder has 795 horsepower, and yet only lapped the nurburgring .64 seconds faster than the LFA. 64/100ths of a second.

The SRT10 has 600 HP and lapped the ring 2 seconds faster (this comparison is a lot closer, although it still has a 40 HP advantage over the LFA).

The point is, the fact that the LFA can keep up with the 918 spyder with such a horsepower deficit is nothing short of amazing. It speaks volumes about that chassis and the overall tossability of the car around curves. The LFA is the epitome of a driver's car. Being able to do more with less.

If the LFA had the horsepower of a 918 spyder, it would blow it out of the water.

It's true that both the SRT10 and 911 are cheaper than the LFA, but honestly at half the price point of the LFA money starts to matter very little. It's not as though someone who can afford a $200,000 car can't afford a $400,000 car.

These are people with liquid net worths well north of $25M (USD). $200k vs $400k is immaterial to them, and so I don't really buy the "price" argument. The people who tend to whine about prices are the ones who can't afford these cars and therefore are not part of the target market.
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I think the LFA is one of the very few non-POSER-driven supercars out there. It's not that fast in straightline, isn't built by a race-car manufacture and yet can outpace most of the big names in a track. I love the engineering behind it and how it took Lexus years to develop it. But i hated how Lexus brought the LFA concept to every single autoshow from 2005-2009. Cheap move IMO.

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With all my respect to FLA, I’m still more impressed by good old “cheap” Ferrari 458 Italia, Auto Bild magazine did proper (same driver, same conditions) supercar test at Nurburgring and Ferrari 458 Italia was 6-seconds quicker:
7:32.92 Ferrari 458 Italia by Sascha Bert
7:38.85 Lexus LFA by Sascha Bert

I don’t really trust those manufacture conducted tests since they probably tweak the car to claim something like 5:54 Nurburgring time for better sales...


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To be fair the LFA is a brilliant machine, despite coming from a company known to make boring cars.

I consider the LFA on its own terms. It's an amazing machine with IIRC the 6th fastest nurburgring time on earth and the 3rd fastest street legal nurburgring time behind the Viper SRT10-ACR and the Porsche 911 Spyder (note: there's a fake entry of 7:11 for a ZR1 on fastlaps; this entry isn't legitimate).

Here's the kicker, though. The LFA has 560 HP. The 918 spyder has 795 horsepower, and yet only lapped the nurburgring .64 seconds faster than the LFA. 64/100ths of a second.

The SRT10 has 600 HP and lapped the ring 2 seconds faster (this comparison is a lot closer, although it still has a 40 HP advantage over the LFA).

The point is, the fact that the LFA can keep up with the 918 spyder with such a horsepower deficit is nothing short of amazing. It speaks volumes about that chassis and the overall tossability of the car around curves. The LFA is the epitome of a driver's car. Being able to do more with less.

If the LFA had the horsepower of a 918 spyder, it would blow it out of the water.

It's true that both the SRT10 and 911 are cheaper than the LFA, but honestly at half the price point of the LFA money starts to matter very little. It's not as though someone who can afford a $200,000 car can't afford a $400,000 car.

These are people with liquid net worths well north of $25M (USD). $200k vs $400k is immaterial to them, and so I don't really buy the "price" argument. The people who tend to whine about prices are the ones who can't afford these cars and therefore are not part of the target market.
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To be fair the LFA is a brilliant machine, despite coming from a company known to make boring cars.

I consider the LFA on its own terms. It's an amazing machine with IIRC the 6th fastest nurburgring time on earth and the 3rd fastest street legal nurburgring time behind the Viper SRT10-ACR and the Porsche 911 Spyder (note: there's a fake entry of 7:11 for a ZR1 on fastlaps; this entry isn't legitimate).

Here's the kicker, though. The LFA has 560 HP. The 918 spyder has 795 horsepower, and yet only lapped the nurburgring .64 seconds faster than the LFA. 64/100ths of a second.

The SRT10 has 600 HP and lapped the ring 2 seconds faster (this comparison is a lot closer, although it still has a 40 HP advantage over the LFA).

The point is, the fact that the LFA can keep up with the 918 spyder with such a horsepower deficit is nothing short of amazing. It speaks volumes about that chassis and the overall tossability of the car around curves. The LFA is the epitome of a driver's car. Being able to do more with less.

If the LFA had the horsepower of a 918 spyder, it would blow it out of the water.

It's true that both the SRT10 and 911 are cheaper than the LFA, but honestly at half the price point of the LFA money starts to matter very little. It's not as though someone who can afford a $200,000 car can't afford a $400,000 car.

These are people with liquid net worths well north of $25M (USD). $200k vs $400k is immaterial to them, and so I don't really buy the "price" argument. The people who tend to whine about prices are the ones who can't afford these cars and therefore are not part of the target market.
First you state the Porsche is a 911 then you say the Porsche is a 918 spyder, and go back to 911 at the end of the post. Which is it?
911 and 918 are completely different cars.
The 911 sells from $90k-$200k, while the 918 will cost over $1 million. The 918 spyder isn't even out yet.
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I think the LFA is one of the very few non-POSER-driven supercars out there. It's not that fast in straightline, isn't built by a race-car manufacture and yet can outpace most of the big names in a track. I love the engineering behind it and how it took Lexus years to develop it. But i hated how Lexus brought the LFA concept to every single autoshow from 2005-2009. Cheap move IMO.



Truth.
If you are indeed an owner of a 458, I have that much more respect for this particular post.
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With all my respect to FLA, I’m still more impressed by good old “cheap” Ferrari 458 Italia, Auto Bild magazine did proper (same driver, same conditions) supercar test at Nurburgring and Ferrari 458 Italia was 6-seconds quicker:
7:32.92 Ferrari 458 Italia by Sascha Bert
7:38.85 Lexus LFA by Sascha Bert

I don’t really trust those manufacture conducted tests since they probably tweak the car to claim something like 5:54 Nurburgring time for better sales...
Ferrari is notorious for tweaking their test cars, so I wouldn't call that a "proper" test.
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I personally love the LFA from every aspect, engineering to asthetics, save the front view. I really think they butchered the front end. It looks like a face that's had too much plastic surgery.
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