Why no fog light on the new M3's?

CatchM3 · 06-16-2008, 03:21 PM

I was wondering why didn't the new M3's come with fog lights.

satakal · 06-16-2008, 03:32 PM

Giant brake ducts instead. Save a 1/4 lb? A better looking front end?

AwesomeM3 · 06-16-2008, 03:33 PM

I think it's because the design feeds air into the engine compartment for engine and brake cooling. You'll probably get a more technical answer from other forum members.

MDCTFTW · 06-16-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorsport

Absolutely necessary in order for the engine to get enough air. No M car has fog lights.

Really?

SlammedR8 · 06-16-2008, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motorsport

Absolutely necessary in order for the engine to get enough air. No M car has fog lights.

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Originally Posted by MDCTFTW

Really?

I wouldn't say NO M car, but no NEW M car has foglights (ie, M5/M6)

southlight · 06-16-2008, 03:52 PM

I think BMW made the best out of it. The M5 did need as much air inducts as possible so it came without. From then on no M car had fog lights (kinda M recognition feature). IMO both Z4 M and M3 could have fog lights and still would get enough air to feed the airbox.

Best regards, south

J08M3 · 06-16-2008, 04:41 PM

I don't think fog lights are necessary... I've had them on numerous vehicles and they never help you see better in the fog. I guess they look cool when you see the car head on at night, but that's about the only purpose I have seen them actually serve.

rvacha · 06-16-2008, 04:43 PM

The fogs on my E39 M5 broke constantly. I was glad to see that I wouldn't be lightening my wallet every quarter on M3 fogs...

johnL · 06-16-2008, 04:57 PM

I'm glad the new Ms don't have the fog lights. I don't think it was ever much help on my e46.

nusevad · 06-16-2008, 05:05 PM

Needs more air, also 1 is for oil cooler.

FAN_F1 · 06-16-2008, 05:26 PM

Open question......

Does the E92 M3 even have brake ducts?

From what I recall when I saw an E92 up on the rack, all of the front end air is engine / radiator intake?

Kindly,

Davinhci · 06-16-2008, 05:30 PM

yeah it doesn't bother me that there is no front fog lights. Never used it much in the E46.

MysticBlue · 06-16-2008, 07:47 PM

It's very dissapointing that I can't drive around on a perfectly clear night with my fog lights on for no good reason other than to look cool and irritate my fellow idiot American citizens.

bmwprince4life · 06-16-2008, 07:56 PM

dude I just noticed it dont have fog lights and i bought the custom lights for nothing arghh

skierman64 · 06-16-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticBlue

It's very dissapointing that I can't drive around on a perfectly clear night with my fog lights on for no good reason other than to look cool and irritate my fellow idiot American citizens.

+1.

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Originally Posted by bmwprince4life

dude I just noticed it dont have fog lights and i bought the custom lights for nothing arghh

Please tell me that's a joke.

CatchM3 · 06-16-2008, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmwprince4life

dude I just noticed it dont have fog lights and i bought the custom lights for nothing arghh

sayemthree · 06-16-2008, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satakal

Giant brake ducts instead. Save a 1/4 lb? A better looking front end?

I dont even see brake ducts??

but the real answer is that with global warming fog is a thing of the past.

ase2dais · 06-16-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Davinhci

yeah it doesn't bother me that there is no front fog lights. Never used it much in the E46.

+1 same here

arr0gant · 06-17-2008, 09:52 AM

Fog lights are over rated. They're something you really want, then once you have 'em it's like they're not event there.

ihyln · 06-17-2008, 09:56 AM

Foglights were cool back in 1990. In my 5 series one of the bulbs burn out rapidly and I refuse to spend a penny to fix up a relatively useless feature, although it did look cool with just the angel eyes.

Keto · 06-17-2008, 10:09 AM

Foglights are for posers -- I would never see them on foggy days but plenty of people leave them on at all times.

LonnieD · 02-02-2015, 12:47 PM

Hey guys, I'm new here and have just bought my first M3. A lovely 2008 girl with manual transmixer with reasonable miles and in great shape. I've been a car nut all my life, but this is my first bimmer. Now as for the fog light thing, fog lights DO serve a purpose. Having come from an area which can have some really nasty fog, I have added fog lights to the majority of my vehicles which didn't come with them. The overall theory is that fog never reaches all the way to the ground. Fog lights properly placed (as low as you can mount them) and aimed properly can light up the road surface below the fog. As pointed out earlier, you don't use them all the time and they must be aimed correctly. Also, a proper setup will allow the fog lights to work WITHOUT the headlights.

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LonnieD Registered 0 Rep 1 Posts Drives: 2008 M3 Convertible Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Apex, NC iTrader: (0)	Hey guys, I'm new here and have just bought my first M3. A lovely 2008 girl with manual transmixer with reasonable miles and in great shape. I've been a car nut all my life, but this is my first bimmer. Now as for the fog light thing, fog lights DO serve a purpose. Having come from an area which can have some really nasty fog, I have added fog lights to the majority of my vehicles which didn't come with them. The overall theory is that fog never reaches all the way to the ground. Fog lights properly placed (as low as you can mount them) and aimed properly can light up the road surface below the fog. As pointed out earlier, you don't use them all the time and they must be aimed correctly. Also, a proper setup will allow the fog lights to work WITHOUT the headlights.
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